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ScottyRo 09-20-2012 05:22 PM

Chris Burke SAINTS D problems
 
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A pretty informative article that blasts lack of adjustments and LB play.


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Danno 09-20-2012 05:27 PM

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Wow great stuff.

Odd... no mention of teams "targeting Roman Harper on every play", or any play for that matter. ;)

Vrillon82 09-20-2012 05:28 PM

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I been calling for Roman Harpers head for 3 years.

I think hes a terrible Safety and it will show in this scheme.

|Mitch| 09-20-2012 05:32 PM

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Roman Harper has been surprisingly good, Corey White has been the MAJOR problem in coverage.

Vrillon82 09-20-2012 05:34 PM

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I dunno, every TD play you see these days Roman Harper is involved.

|Mitch| 09-20-2012 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Vrillon82 (Post 441019)
I dunno, every TD play you see these days Roman Harper is involved.

? Really not fair to blame Harper, when the LB's and D-Line are not doing their job... The only "bad" play I can think of for Harper was that "phantom" PI, it probably was the best coverage he has ever played, and was a terrible call...

Danno 09-20-2012 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vrillon82 (Post 441019)
I dunno, every TD play you see these days Roman Harper is involved.

Really? I just don't see that at all.

papz 09-20-2012 05:55 PM

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When you hear Harper's name, he's doing some bad. When you don't hear Harper's name, he's not doing his job. When Harper makes a sack, it's cause he can't cover. When he makes a tackle, it's because he's a box safety. If he breaks up a pass, he should have had an interception. If he makes a Pro Bowl, it's because it's a popularity contest.

It sucks to be Roman Harper.

Danno 09-20-2012 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 441024)
When you hear Harper's name, he's doing some bad. When you don't hear Harper's name, he's not doing his job. When Harper makes a sack, it's cause he can't cover. When he makes a tackle, it's because he's a box safety. If he breaks up a pass, he should have had an interception. If he makes a Pro Bowl, it's because it's a popularity contest.

It sucks to be Roman Harper.

And when a LB doesn't drop far enough, its Harper's fault, when a CB gets burned on a quick slant, its Harpers fault. When Jenkins gets burned, its Harpers fault.

I wish someone would show me all those TD's in the Redskin and Panther games that were Harpers fault.

westbankdaze 09-20-2012 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 441021)
Really? I just don't see that at all.

You are blind then.

Joker 09-20-2012 09:25 PM

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Get rid of Harper and the defense will suddenly become a top 10 defense, REALLY!!!!!!!!'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Harper is the least of their problems, get some guys who can rush the passer and tackle this just may fix a bunch of problems.

st thomas 09-20-2012 09:25 PM

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we can't grab the scheme spags has now , how are we to learn adjustments, i see why GW had to blitz every freakin down.

Joker 09-20-2012 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 441074)
we can't grab the scheme spags has now , how are we to learn adjustments, i see why GW had to blitz every freakin down.

GW knew what he had and made the best of it

|Mitch| 09-20-2012 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by westbankdaze (Post 441059)
You are blind then.

Yep; every TD we give up is Harpers fault /sarcasm :rolleyes:

Euphoria 09-20-2012 10:19 PM

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Of course Harper is always seen because he is the last line of defense. How about the other 10 do their job...

As bad as they are playing its EVERYONE's fault.

Ashley 09-20-2012 10:56 PM

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Thanks for the post, good read. still has me scratching my head. Thank god I'm an armchair qb/ coach/gm

QBREES9 09-20-2012 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashley (Post 441091)
Thanks for the post, good read. still has me scratching my head. Thank god I'm an armchair qb/ coach/gm

Like us all. Thank god I'm an armchair QB/photographer.

jnormand 09-21-2012 02:53 AM

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That was a good post....but it also made me sick. I hope the defense picks it up.

dizzle88 09-21-2012 03:39 AM

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Roman Harper hasn't been beat yet this season

He had perfect coverage on the PI call

Corey white got manhandled by a 3rd WR

Patrick robinson doesn't look for the ball when its in the air

You may want to blame harper because he isn't great in coverage, but he hasn't been beat yet this season

Danno 09-21-2012 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 441109)
Roman Harper hasn't been beat yet this season

He had perfect coverage on the PI call

Corey white got manhandled by a 3rd WR

Patrick robinson doesn't look for the ball when its in the air

You may want to blame harper because he isn't great in coverage, but he hasn't been beat yet this season

He will eventually, like every other player. When he does have a bad game I'm sure the Harper haters will scream from the mountaintops...

Right now, teams are targeting our LB's and a small-school rookie CB forced to play because of injury.

SaintsBro 09-21-2012 08:25 AM

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That was a good article. The main thing that it taught me was that we are being SCHOOLED by opponents. Same play/formation works against us two weeks in a row? We will be seeing it again and again and again until Spags finishes "installing his system" and figures out how to stop it.

TheOak 09-21-2012 08:30 AM

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WTF? I thought we were blaming everything on Shanle this season?

Anyway... Great read on the article... the feeling I get is that our defense is trying to force it, and not let it come... We have been a Blitzkrieg defense and that is what they know... Its difficult to transition to the hesitate a little and let the play develop way of playing which is what zone is in comparison to what we have been doing.

The comment about the LBs continuously biting on the fake is what alluded to that.

IMHO I would rather sit a second or two and let the play develop and tackle the back after a 2-3 yard gain than run right after the fake and get gouged for 30 yards because no one was home.

mighty12 09-21-2012 09:45 AM

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"The Saintsí linebackers (Scott Shanle, Curtis Lofton and David Hawthorne) did Ö well, itís hard to say what they were doing."

This was the best line ever. I know I shouldn't laugh but it's true.

Mardigras9 09-21-2012 09:57 AM

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"The Saintsí linebackers (Scott Shanle, Curtis Lofton and David Hawthorne) did Ö well, itís hard to say what they were doing."

Says it all right there.

Budsdrinker 09-21-2012 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 441024)
When you hear Harper's name, he's doing some bad. When you don't hear Harper's name, he's not doing his job. When Harper makes a sack, it's cause he can't cover. When he makes a tackle, it's because he's a box safety. If he breaks up a pass, he should have had an interception. If he makes a Pro Bowl, it's because it's a popularity contest.

It sucks to be Roman Harper.

If he played at LSU instead of Alabama, the fans would probably give him more slack!

ScottyRo 09-21-2012 02:49 PM

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I only watched part of the NYG/Panthers game last night, but one play stuck out in my mind as what I wish we had. I'm not sure of the situation, but it was a terrific play by JPP.

At the snap he engaged the tackle, but read run by Newton so he didn't get too far up field. As newton passed behind the tackle, JPP shed the block and tackled Newton for a 2 or 3 yard loss. Perfect! He made it look s easy.

For this D to work, we need some of those types of plays made by that type of player. Until the d-line can hold their own, it won't matter how badly the LBs and Harper plays or how many drops Robinson has.

Danno 09-21-2012 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottyRo (Post 441267)
Until the d-line can hold their own, it won't matter how badly the LBs and Harper plays or how many drops Robinson has.

Harper hasn't played badly at all. Where's that coming from?

dizzle88 09-21-2012 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottyRo (Post 441267)
I only watched part of the NYG/Panthers game last night, but one play stuck out in my mind as what I wish we had. I'm not sure of the situation, but it was a terrific play by JPP.

At the snap he engaged the tackle, but read run by Newton so he didn't get too far up field. As newton passed behind the tackle, JPP shed the block and tackled Newton for a 2 or 3 yard loss. Perfect! He made it look s easy.

For this D to work, we need some of those types of plays made by that type of player. Until the d-line can hold their own, it won't matter how badly the LBs and Harper plays or how many drops Robinson has.

Further shows why we should have picked JPP instead of Ingram, not knocking Ingram but the need for a guy like JPP was much more

ScottyRo 09-21-2012 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 441282)
Harper hasn't played badly at all. Where's that coming from?

I wasn't inferring that Harper has played badly. Many seem to think he has and my point is that it doesn't matter until the d-line plays up to par.

ScottyRo 09-21-2012 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 441290)
Further shows why we should have picked JPP instead of Ingram, not knocking Ingram but the need for a guy like JPP was much more

Ingram is a good RB, but he runs a bit top heavy. I'd love to be able to trade him to Detroit for a 1st rounder next year (or get a high second somewhere), but I doubt that happens.

Certainly looking back, we should have gone with JPP. I understand we have hindsight now that the staff didn't benefit from then. Shame cause we could have filled an area of need instead an area of surplus. Almost makes me with we had Charles Grant back.

Joker 09-21-2012 08:14 PM

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[QUOTE=ScottyRo;441296]Ingram is a good RB, but he runs a bit top heavy. I'd love to be able to trade him to Detroit for a 1st rounder next year (or get a high second somewhere), but I doubt that happens.

they may be open to a trade for Avril, good defensive lineman that just signed his 1 year franchise tender this tear.

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