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Can Hartley Be Trusted?

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Jamessr Not saying it was Hartly's fault... but I'd resign John Kasey. Light a fire under his @$$ - give him focus......

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Old 09-23-2012, 06:41 PM   #11
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Not saying it was Hartly's fault... but I'd resign John Kasey.
Light a fire under his @$$ - give him focus...
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Old 09-23-2012, 06:43 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by 4everSaint View Post
The whole thing about analyzing a kick that was missed very early on is kind of pointless because the WHOLE game would have been different. I think it is funny when people think we can just add those 3 points thinking the game plays out the same way.
Your right. It plays out differently.... We have 3 more points the rest of the entire game.
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Old 09-23-2012, 06:47 PM   #13
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Re: Can Hartley Be Trusted?

I'm saying that you don't know how the ball bounces from there. Who is to say we don't kick off and they don't return it for a touchdown? Butterfly effect.
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Your right. It plays out differently.... We have 3 more points the rest of the entire game.
But how do you know they don't score on the next kickoff after we score those 3? You don't.
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Old 09-23-2012, 06:49 PM   #15
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Re: Can Hartley Be Trusted?

you can't just add 3 points.
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Old 09-23-2012, 10:49 PM   #16
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How does he miss that? In the Dome?
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Old 09-23-2012, 11:06 PM   #17
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Re: Can Hartley Be Trusted?

Heck no, I don't trust Hartley at all. I do get that he is incredibly talented, and I know despite that miss today he has been perfect. I wouldn't run him out of town just yet, but if he starts to show signs of struggling, I would bring Kasey back in a heartbeat. Yes, Kasey is a major liability outside of 40 yards, but 40 and closer he is pretty much dead on.
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Old 09-23-2012, 11:38 PM   #18
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Re: Can Hartley Be Trusted?

I don't believe this game will affect hartly status. But if he pulls that bullcrap miss again then there will be debates or even cuts. Can't put it pn him today but a great observation.we had key drops again that totally changes this game. We had ref goofs made huge bunks.so hartly in my book is safe for another week.
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Re: Can Hartley Be Trusted?

Yes we can trust Hartley, no him missing on ekick was not the reason for the loss.
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Old 09-24-2012, 06:55 AM   #20
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Re: Can Hartley Be Trusted?

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But how do you know they don't score on the next kickoff after we score those 3? You don't.
Theoretically an alien space craft could come down and end the game... The facts are not theoretical. If Hartley makes the FG, it adds 3 points, at the end of the game we are 3 points ahead. No OT.

Unless you can explain to me how Hartley making the kick would effect KC scoring a touch down directly i cant buy in to 'how do you know... anything could have happened".

Hartley's kick did not keep them from getting into the endzone after that play. The Defense did.
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