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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Danno I'd include the entire front 7 in that statement. Maybe keep Jordan, Lofton, Bunkley and Hicks. The rest... meh. You're right, journeymen couldn't be much worse. I'd keep Wilson and let him start somewhere, LB/DE...

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Old 09-23-2012, 07:55 PM   #11
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I'd include the entire front 7 in that statement. Maybe keep Jordan, Lofton, Bunkley and Hicks. The rest... meh.

You're right, journeymen couldn't be much worse.
I'd keep Wilson and let him start somewhere, LB/DE
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Old 09-23-2012, 07:56 PM   #12
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Specifically, I could think of five starters or significant playing time players that have not been getting it done...

Ellis, Smith, Jenkins, Harper, Ingram, Hartley...
Ellis - 4 solo tckls, 10 assits so far. Invisible comes to mind.
Smith - was our best DE (four years ago)
Jenkins / Harper - these guys look completely confused
Ingram - is it me or is there rarely a hole for this guy??
Hartley - one more missed FG........
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Suckage Rankings on Defense

Sedrick Ellis
Scott Shanle
David Hawthorne
Will Smith
Broderick Bunkley
Patrick Robinson
Malcolm Jenkins
Corey White (he gets a temp pass for being a rook)
Cam Jordan
Roman Harper
Curtis Lofton
Jabari Greer
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IMO the entire defensive front could be replaced. It frankly couldn't get any worse.
Will Smith is slow, Eillis gets no pressure and Jordan can benefit if one other D-lineman step up. Young line is needed, I think Hicks Johnson and Walker can improve the middle of the line with increased playing time as too with Jr and Tez.
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PT 23 is the man. He's worth more than his meager contraact. He's not being used effectively now, but will hopefully stay healthy with a good rotation.
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We ain't got no money to fix our D to a great extent anyway, 100 million dollars and we can't even complete a single pass in the second half and get a total of minus 16 yards in the 4th

If we had kept running the ball when we were up 24-6, this would never have happened, but drew forces that pass and 5 minutes later its 24-16
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I really don't get why they aren't leaning on Pierre Thomas MORE, now that things are not going well. We've all seen Pierre pick up the whole team in a game and carry it on his shoulders for a while, when we needed to get something going. Why Carmichael can't see it is beyond me. It's like Pierre's the Invisible Man in all this, they just put him on the back burner while we keep throwing incompletions and going 3 and out and getting Drew killed back there. It's frustrating. Because nothing calms down a jittery offense better than slamming into people, being physical, pushing the pile, getting a couple first downs and moving the ball and getting a rhythm going. Then you get your confidence back instead of "tightening up."
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Well we did run PT 6 times this game, for 11 yards.
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It looks like the coaches have lost the Payton philosophy. How can you be with Payton for 4-5years and not learn anything?

In order to save any part of this season Spags will have to change his philosopy. He needs to realize what he is doing is not working.
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I really don't get why they aren't leaning on Pierre Thomas MORE, now that things are not going well. We've all seen Pierre pick up the whole team in a game and carry it on his shoulders for a while, when we needed to get something going. Why Carmichael can't see it is beyond me. It's like Pierre's the Invisible Man in all this, they just put him on the back burner while we keep throwing incompletions and going 3 and out and getting Drew killed back there. It's frustrating. Because nothing calms down a jittery offense better than slamming into people, being physical, pushing the pile, getting a couple first downs and moving the ball and getting a rhythm going. Then you get your confidence back instead of "tightening up."

I'm wondering if maybe Carmichael IS calling for some more run plays but Brees is audible-ing out of them? I felt like there were a lot of audibles yesterday

But you're very right, we certainly never had a rhythm going after that first drive. Perhaps it was the call-reversals that got to them eventually; its got to be deflating to work that hard, get down the field, make an incredibly athletic play, and then have one bozo overturn another bozo's initial call that you scored a TD, or were in bounds. Twice.
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