Quit blaming our losses on the refs and Goodell
 

Yea they suck, but the refs have not changed the outcome of any of our games. Instead of pointing the finger at the refs we need to hold the team accountable. With the way we are playing we wouldn't have won even if we had the calls go our way. No one is to blame but the coaching staff and the players.

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I blame Spaggs, not 100% but he gets the majority of it.

/end thread.

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The refs blew the TD by PT.

The refs missed a holding call on thelong TD run

The refs missed missed several push-offs by KC wrs.

And don't get me started on what Goodell has done.

Bottom line: Our defense had cost us 3 staright games.

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And don't forget Carmichael. Our offensive play calling has been pretty poopy too.

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nailed it

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I'm not blaming the refs for any of our losses. Fact is we have been outplayed in all 3 games. Every coach and player deserves some blame because through 3 games I haven't seen 1 coach or 1 player do their job well.

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You people need to make up your freaking minds!

When the Saints throw, they should be passing.

When they are running, they should be passing.

Other than fundamentals, there is nothing wrong with the offense!!!!

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You cannot blame Spags for what is happening. He walked into a team on the cusp of shambles. Suspensions, no head coach, no interim head coach, personnel problems to name a few. You cannot hold any coach fully accountable for walking into this environment and doing poorly. Not a DC in the world would do any better.

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We don't have our leader. Plain and simple.

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We were up 24-6, an 18 POINT LEAD!

No one can blame the refs for that, the game totally changed when brees threw that pick and I even said in the live chat - that could cost us the game and guess what? It did!

24-6, turned into 24-9, then came the 91 yard run and the safety and about 4 straight 3 and outs for brees, offense lost us this game, how do you expect the defense to hold up when they are on the field for 13 mins per quarter whilst brees just gives KC the ball straight back

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I still can't believe people think our offense is fine...

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Ummmm, who is in charge of half time adjustments? Who has pretty much been a genius at half time adjustments over the past few years? Where is this man now? Why isn't he here? Why won't he be here at all? Quit blaming our losses on the soulless ginger? I don't think so. Headin' out for another box of pins now.

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I won't blame the refs, but I'll damn sure put an ample amount of blame on Goodell! :pissed:

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You can't look at this season and not acknowledge the role that Roger Goodell has played in it. It's impossible for a rational person to not see it.

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I will blame the refs for one item.

Rhythm... You cant get a rhythm in a game with at least 6 stops for call reviews that were over turned. Rhythm is a big part of professional football. The no huddle is rhythm dependent, and manning him self would have trouble with all the game breaks.

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Fill in Ref's Fill in Coach's Fill in Player's the whole thing is a mess!

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This is it exactly. The refs and Goodell are just a joke getting very old. Losing to inferior teams is our own fault. Every team has to deal with crappy ref work.

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Can anyone point to a blown call that went in our favor?

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I too would like to know this.

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Game versus Washington Graham caught a pass and it was batted out of his hands immediately. Refs awarded us forward progress was stopped rather than a fumble. It was a fumble so fast there is no way it should have been called that. Only one I can think of.

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It doesn't matter who we blame the fact is we can't win a game whether we are ahead or behind. This is not what we are accustomed to and it feels bad. Undoubtley Gooddell knew what he was doing when he suspended Payton for the year. It appears he will keep us out of the superbowl.

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It's a combination of a lot of things. No one person, or lack thereof, not one side of the ball or another. The tumultuous off season hurt, Brees' holdout hurt, the current lack of leadership hurts, our O-line and D-line play is killing us, the scab refs hurt. All of it...no one thing.

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They blew the Lance Moore TD to, the Pylon is part of the field of play, since his foot touched it, his other foot was in bounds, its a completed catch if not a TD.

Instead of 24 pts, we should of had 38 pts in that game.

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thank you! How many 3 and outs did our 100 million dollar man lead us to at the end of that game... consecutive 3 and outs?

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I'm with you on that one SloMo. I think a lot of us underestimated the loss of Sean and the effect this whole offseason would have on our players. They're only human. While I believe there are some who have worn out their welcome here I think this whole mess has just screwed up their heads so much they are having a hard time even functioning. There's plenty enough blame to go around but in my opinion, Goodell screwed up this season royally for us and I think that was his intention. How can a man be allowed to so demoralize an organization and trample on a fanbase over hearsay, conjecture, and circumstantial evidence like he has this year and still keep his job is beyond me. No, the refs aren't to blame but I'm darn sure going to lay the majority of it on Goodells shoulders. That SOB screwed us everywhich way you can. Others were right when they said he knew what he was doing when he sent Sean home for a year. :burn:

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The Lance Moore call was correct. He DID NOT come down with both feet inbounds. Its the only one they got right.

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Did the replacement officials get all the calls right?

Maybe. Maybe not.

“I don’t get into that business,” veteran defensive end Will Smith said. “I mean, the refs are human; they’re not going to call it as called all the time.

“You just have to play the game. You can’t leave it in their hands.”

Full article.
Replay reversals make mark on game between Saints, Chiefs | Saints | The Advocate — Baton Rouge, LA

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He didnt need to.

I will go read the rule book or get clarification.

But since his foot touched the Pylon first before hitting the ground, that is a completed catch or TD. Touching the Pylon is the same as getting your foot in bounds, in the case of Moore, 1 foot hit Pylon first then the ground, his other foot was in bounds.

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The pylon only designates where the plane of the goal line extends. It has nothing to do with getting a foot down for a completion.

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Can't put all the offensive woes on Brees, though. O-line has been bad - almost as if the man in charge of coaching them is off doing something else.

Besides that, WRs/TEs are dropping passes like they're scared of the ball.

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If he had hit the pylon with the ball THEN it would be a TD is the way I interpret the rule.

Keep in mind, a body part does not need to cross the plane.. the ball does.

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The refs and the Goodell should share a part of the blame. The bountygate damage has been going on since what, February? And then the Brees contract problems and finally the stress of Hurricane Isaac. The Saints didn't even get an off-season as far as I'm concerned. We've been Goodell's punching bag since the day the New York Giants parade ended.

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Aint the Pylon in the field of play?

meaning if your foot touches it, its considered having your foot in bounds before it hits anywhere else?

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No.

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Refs????????

What about the defensive TD that was not allowed?

I only heard the game on the radio but the commentators said the the KC player fumbled the ball after hurting his elbow?? We then scooped up the free ball and ran it into the endzone! TD for us, or a least thats what the Saint radio commentators said, they could not see a problem at all, but it wasn't allowed???????

Maybe I miss heard but I'm sure that's what they said?????

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I forgot about that one to because that was a defensive TD, but I dont remember if we ever scored on that turnover or not.

It was a stupid call because the runner wasnt down and they blew the whistle before he was even touched.

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The rule says, as best I can tell, that his other foot - the one that hit the pylon, had to have come down in the end zone for it to be a touchdown.

For all they got wrong - and that was plenty - it looks to me like they got that one right.

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I think they said they blew the whistle, therefore a dead ball. We did get the ball, but by rule, advancement was negated by the blown whistle.

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When they reversed so many other calls, how do they not just reverse this one also? How does the whistle blow the play dead, when upon review, the play clearly was not dead? McCluster just let the ball go...

smh

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Huh?