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Danno 09-27-2012 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 443939)
He's a bust, period. Frankly, even if he were good it would still have been a bad pick based on needs.

Wrong, based on needs he should have been our 1st pick over Jordan.

burningmetal 09-27-2012 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 443942)
Wrong, based on needs he should have been our 1st pick over Jordan.

That's a blind statement. Do you remember how bad our defense was and still is? I didn't like the Jordan pick at all, but I definitely wanted defense. Getting an OT wouldn't have hurt my feelings either, but there really weren't any worth taking at that point, as I remember.

burningmetal 09-27-2012 06:09 PM

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We ran out of backs at the end of the '10 season because of an unprecedented amount of injuries. Those guys were coming back. But even if they hadn't, remember this: we scored 36 points with no running game against Seattle and still LOST. And we all remember how bad the Seahawks were against everyone else that year.

We needed defense.

ChrisXVI 09-27-2012 06:13 PM

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Damn right we needed defense. It was the right pick too... Cameron Jordan is our best D-Lineman now. I know, I know... that's not saying much lol.

Danno 09-27-2012 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 443947)
That's a blind statement. Do you remember how bad our defense was and still is? I didn't like the Jordan pick at all, but I definitely wanted defense. Getting an OT wouldn't have hurt my feelings either, but there really weren't any worth taking at that point, as I remember.

Do you remember the only RB who's NFL future wasn't in doubt was Reggie Bush? And it would have cost us 12 million to keep him? There were serious doubt as to whether PT and Ivory would ever play another down in the NFL.

Do you remember Julius Jones and DeShawn Wynn were our only RB's?

We drafted 6 players that year, all but Ingram were on the defensive side of the ball.

Over the last 4 seasons we've drafted 20 players, 12 were defense and 8 were offense.

burningmetal 09-27-2012 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 443954)
Do you remember the only RB who's NFL future wasn't in doubt was Reggie Bush? And it would have cost us 12 million to keep him? There were serious doubt as to whether PT and Ivory would ever play another down in the NFL.

Do you remember Julius Jones and DeShawn Wynn were our only RB's?

We drafted 6 players that year, all but Ingram were on the defensive side of the ball.

Over the last 4 seasons we've drafted 20 players, 12 were defense and 8 were offense.

See my above post, first.

I'll add in response that there was never a question as whether any of those players careers were in doubt. It was how effective would they be when they recovered, and how long would it take them to recover. Yet, again, we still scored 36 points against Seattle.

The Saints have drafted a lot of low round defenders. I'm talking about first round. How many impact defenders have we drafted recently? I'll echo something that someone else in here said, and that is that we have gotten the majority of our offensive talent in late rounds or as rookie free agents. There was no reason to panic and draft Ingram.

Danno 09-27-2012 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 443958)
See my above post, first.

I'll add in response that there was never a question as whether any of those players careers were in doubt. It was how effective would they be when they recovered, and how long would it take them to recover. Yet, again, we still scored 36 points against Seattle.

The Saints have drafted a lot of low round defenders. I'm talking about first round. How many impact defenders have we drafted recently? I'll echo something that someone else in here said, and that is that we have gotten the majority of our offensive talent in late rounds or as rookie free agents. There was no reason to panic and draft Ingram.

I don't think we've drafted any impact players on either side of the ball in the 1st round. What makes you think we would have drafted one with the Ingram pick? In fact, the closest we've come to an impact player in the 1st round was Reggie Bush, a running back.

Jankman8 09-27-2012 06:37 PM

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Gotta agree with Danno. At that time the Ingram pick made perfect sense! Right now I have to agree with the other board members that the playcalling is the main problem. You know a run up the middle is coming if he is on the field, so that needs to chance asap.

ChrisXVI 09-27-2012 07:47 PM

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There was never any doubt that PT or Ivory would play another down in the NFL! I don't know where you get that at all. As far as never drafting an impact player in the first round, like I said: Cameron Jordan is doing a fantastic job as a run-stopping DE.

|Mitch| 09-27-2012 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 443979)
There was never any doubt that PT or Ivory would play another down in the NFL!

Actually Pierre Thomas did have a significant knee injury and it was very unsure if he'd ever be 100% again, and Ivory gets himself injured quite easily with his running style...


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