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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Ashley I don't know who to think. Everyone has been, but i want to trade Ingram. He might be good, be we will never find out. That is as long as he is a Saint. The D ...

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Old 10-01-2012, 07:45 AM   #31
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I don't know who to think. Everyone has been, but i want to trade Ingram. He might be good, be we will never find out. That is as long as he is a Saint.

The D just flat sucks. I'm tired of picking on them
ok i have been sitting and giving this kid time to show me something.

No i did not jump up and down over the pick and still think PT is our #1 RB.

Now my issue to date has not been so much Mark and his inability to impress me as it has been the way the saints use him. Since mid season of last year teams played 8 in the box or ran run blitzes when he took the field.

So i can not pass judgement on him at this point. the saints are very predictable now in what we running and defenses know how to play us.

what will you get for him? squat! Lets try working on his blocking and blitz pick ups or sit down and figure a way to get him open in the flat. Because he is a straight line runner that has maybe one cut when hitting the line. he has yet to show the ability to sneak though a defenses front 7. Then again our OL is to blame for part of it. I will not go there.

so i say we are stuck with him or better he is stuck with us till the saints build an OL that can run block better. face it we have two solid OG and a serviceable center and two OT that leave a lot to be desired at this point for two very different reasons.

i said i was not going there. sorry
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Old 10-01-2012, 07:48 AM   #32
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Its how we use him or dont use him that is an issue for me. Either way its telegraphed and he is not getting a fair "run" at things.
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Old 10-01-2012, 08:03 AM   #33
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Curtis Johnson, that is our problem. Remember when Devery dropped everything and anything. Curtis J. worked with him then Devery became a very legit WR.
Now he is gone and EVERYONE on our staff drops the damn ball. I know we cant get CJ back, but whoever is the new WR coach needs to get slapped in the face for a wake up call or his ass is gone after this year.
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ok i have been sitting and giving this kid time to show me something.

No i did not jump up and down over the pick and still think PT is our #1 RB.

Now my issue to date has not been so much Mark and his inability to impress me as it has been the way the saints use him. Since mid season of last year teams played 8 in the box or ran run blitzes when he took the field.

So i can not pass judgement on him at this point. the saints are very predictable now in what we running and defenses know how to play us.

what will you get for him? squat! Lets try working on his blocking and blitz pick ups or sit down and figure a way to get him open in the flat. Because he is a straight line runner that has maybe one cut when hitting the line. he has yet to show the ability to sneak though a defenses front 7. Then again our OL is to blame for part of it. I will not go there.

so i say we are stuck with him or better he is stuck with us till the saints build an OL that can run block better. face it we have two solid OG and a serviceable center and two OT that leave a lot to be desired at this point for two very different reasons.

i said i was not going there. sorry
No I bet we could get something for him. HE will be a better back in a different system. Anyone who knows football can see that. Yes our O line cant open a hole for ****, but we need to do something, Ivory will not get us anything. Plus we are not going to trade PT or Sproles. We don't have much to trade, but number 22 would get us something. If not that will just be another wasted pick.
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Curtis Johnson, that is our problem. Remember when Devery dropped everything and anything. Curtis J. worked with him then Devery became a very legit WR.
Now he is gone and EVERYONE on our staff drops the damn ball. I know we cant get CJ back, but whoever is the new WR coach needs to get slapped in the face for a wake up call or his ass is gone after this year.
Henry Ellard is our new WR coach. Great WR, but great players typically make awful coaches.

Our WR's looked their best when Curtis was here, then he gets a HC job.

Our secondary looked their best when Dennis Allen was here, and we lose him to a HC job.
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Henry Ellard is our new WR coach. Great WR, but great players typically make awful coaches.

Our WR's looked their best when Curtis was here, then he gets a HC job.

Our secondary looked their best when Dennis Allen was here, and we lose him to a HC job.
Great Player/Awful coach - See Mike Singletary
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Ingram has had zero productivity to warrant a first round pick.
I'm kind of tired of Jenkins being caught out of position on screens all the time.

What has me burned more than anything else: How about the fan in the Brees jersey in the end zone BEFORE kick off with a friggin' bag on his head? Or am I the only one who caught that?
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The WR's dropping balls is certainly disappointing, but they have caught some impossible balls also. Ingram has not been able to show any greatness, time to put Ivory back in the mix.
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While Lance had some drops yesterday, he also had a couple clutch "Lance Moore" type catches, so he's not on my **** list...yet

Two to blame?

D-LINE - no pressure, no excuses. Its gotta happen and its sure isn't right now

PETE CARMICHAEL - offensive play calling is predictable at best. Three straight passes with two yards to gain at the goal line? Mark Ingram gained positive yards every time he carried the ball, for about two yards every time yet we pass three times (given, one of those passes was to Ingram, and that's the first time this season I've seen them roll him out that way, but still)...smh
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