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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by 73Saint I'd have more confidence in Morestead kicking. Or hell, cut Hartley for an extra roster spot and go for two from here on out (kidding, sort of). I am on board... NO kidding. Cut Hartley and ...

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Old 10-01-2012, 10:31 AM   #71
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Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley

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I'd have more confidence in Morestead kicking. Or hell, cut Hartley for an extra roster spot and go for two from here on out (kidding, sort of).
I am on board... NO kidding.

Cut Hartley and bring in a god like D-tackle that can both pressure the QB and "William fridge Perry" 2 points into the endzone.
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:14 PM   #72
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Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley

If you are an insane mad scientist of football like Sean Payton is, sometimes you are a genius and sometimes your crazy laboratory experiments don't work out so well .... That's how I feel about Hartley right about now. I love the CONCEPT of Garrett Hartley on paper -- having a heavily-medicated emo headcase kicker with ADD on the team, who looks like a girl when he trots out there, and every kick is a wobbly mess but they somehow go through the uprights on a wing and a prayer and we win games flying by the seat of our pants -- if the CONCEPT would have worked, Hartley would have been awesome, one of those classic Sean Payton "things" only he comes up with, and we'd all be talking about how Sean Payton's a genius for finding him...we've had great success with plenty of Payton's other nutty professor "experiments" from out of left field, like Jimmy Graham, Marques Colston, Jedediah Collins, "Ambush," and Drew Brees' shoulder, but this kid we have kicking for us with the new wave hairdo ...I don't know if the concept is working out.
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:37 PM   #73
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Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley

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Again, this isn't about just the game yesterday. You know well kicker is a totally different position than runningback. Kickers are journeymen in the NFL, that's their profession. There are always 2 or 3 kickers every season sitting on standby waiting for a call for their 2nd, 3rd, 10th, 12th chance at success again.

When Hartley started missing last season, Payton and Loomis pulled in Kasey fast. Kicker is not a position teams draft and pay big payouts for a guy to just sit on staff.

I disagree that 48 isn't a gimme in the NFL. Kicks below 50 are expected. It's the pros.

He already missed this season from within 39-30 range and another 40+ yarder. Why do people keep apologizing for this guy?
First, he was injured last year. He didn't sit for Kasay. I'm not apologizing for Hartley, I'm just saying there were other people to blame for yesterdays lost. If we want to go that route and say his job is to kick FGs and when he miss we cut him, then what's the difference when Sproles drops what was a sure 1st down catch possibly TD because he had beaten his man in coverage or Moore dropping at least 3 passes. When you think of great kickers in the past 10 years doesn't Adam Vinateri and David Akers names come to mind? Well Vinateri has missed 2 FG's in the 30-39 yard range and Akers has missed 2 in the 40-49 range this year so I don't know about that kicks below 50 are expected. But if it makes you happy to cut him, let's cut him I'm sure the Dolphins would pick him up.

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Old 10-01-2012, 12:40 PM   #74
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The difference is Sproles hasn't been missing clutch passes for his entire tenure here. Seriously, how can you even try and compare the two?
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:00 PM   #75
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Ok, be pissed about the miss, but do you really think our D would have held GB out of FG range? I don't. Of course, anything is possible and at least they would have had the opportunity to try, but I think the outcome was inevitable.

btw, I was pretty impressed with the team yesterday. Not that they played great, but GB isn't a slouch team like KC and we went toe to toe with them and nearly took the win.
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:02 PM   #76
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Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley

Everyone make mistake. You win as a team and you lose as a team. You should never have to depend on your kicker. Get the DAM JOB DONE>
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