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cars4dylan 10-01-2012 05:50 AM

Just the facts....
 
2 Redzone trips against GB and you only get 6 points, you lose.

1st and goal on the one, you don't even attempt to punch it in behind the FB? Not even 1 dive just to play smashmouth football is failing in epic proportions.

One thing is for sure, unless Loomis fires Carmichael and Kroemer they'll be with us for the foreseeable future. They aren't making improvements to their resumes with the play calling/coaching in these games. I don't see anyone unless they are really desperate hiring them away. I think in their primary roles they're good but without Payton running things and making the hard calls they show some lack of the "it" factor to be the HC (at least for now).

The Def line.....what Def line? An O-line that gave up 7 sacks in one half a week ago should be susceptible to at least 1 sack or some assemblance of pressure that affects the QB. Zero, zip, nada.....we scare nobody with our men in the trenches. That's not Spags fault, that's a roster issue and has to be addressed in the off season. I'm thinking Sed Ellis is done and we need to move on, Bunkley isn't overly impressive, Smith is aging, Jordan shows some flashes but lacks consistency.

We only have 1 starting CB, the rest, sorry, just sorry. Props to Robinson for the good pick but one little bright moment fails to outshine the sheer utter confusion he normally shows while in coverage.

On a bright note, no turnovers (albeit because of a blown call on a kickoff)!

Our Def will persist the way it is because of the personnel, our Off may fire at all times and pull some victories out but unless someone flips a switch and makes things happen magically it will be a long season of not shocking losses.

Cruize 10-01-2012 06:30 AM

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The defensive scheme is horrible. DB's never bump anybody at the line and always give way too much cushion. The offensive playcalling is equally bad. On the rare occasion a run is called, it's on first down. The substitutions at RB, where none of the RB's gets more than one play in a row, is ridiculous. As far as Personnel goes, Jenkins should be moved to CB in nickel and dime situations with Quddus coming in. Hicks should start over Ellis. Ivory should get a shot. Shanle and Herring should be cut. I don't care if they play someone off the street. I'm tired of watching them not make plays. Their replacements can't be any worse. They might accidentially make a play or two.

jcp026 10-01-2012 06:44 AM

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[QUOTE=Cruize;444998]The defensive scheme is horrible. DB's never bump anybody at the line and always give way too much cushion.

I remember the same thing happening last season. Maybe our CBs just aren't capable of playing bump and run.

dizzle88 10-01-2012 06:51 AM

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Maybe we should trade mark Ingram to the cardinals for Patrick Peterson!

Hell yeah! Lol

hagan714 10-01-2012 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cars4dylan (Post 444991)
2 Redzone trips against GB and you only get 6 points, you lose.

you can not hope to win in lambo like that. but yet again the saints despite themselves almost pulled it out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cars4dylan (Post 444991)
1st and goal on the one, you don't even attempt to punch it in behind the FB? Not even 1 dive just to play smashmouth football is failing in epic proportions.

no faith in OL by the coaching staff. the saints miss there OL coach

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Originally Posted by cars4dylan (Post 444991)
One thing is for sure, unless Loomis fires Carmichael and Kroemer they'll be with us for the foreseeable future. They aren't making improvements to their resumes with the play calling/coaching in these games. I don't see anyone unless they are really desperate hiring them away. I think in their primary roles they're good but without Payton running things and making the hard calls they show some lack of the "it" factor to be the HC (at least for now).

we have gone very vanilla and have become predictable in our play calling. this has gone on for over two years now. Teams now know how to defend against us. when was the last time the saints faked a reverse. a few years ago we all were thinking we were getting to cute with play calling but now it is the other extreme. the saints offense is, sorry to say is getting boring

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Originally Posted by cars4dylan (Post 444991)
The Def line.....what Def line? An O-line that gave up 7 sacks in one half a week ago should be susceptible to at least 1 sack or some assemblance of pressure that affects the QB. Zero, zip, nada.....we scare nobody with our men in the trenches. That's not Spags fault, that's a roster issue and has to be addressed in the off season. I'm thinking Sed Ellis is done and we need to move on, Bunkley isn't overly impressive, Smith is aging, Jordan shows some flashes but lacks consistency.

swiss cheese is the new defense call sign

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Originally Posted by cars4dylan (Post 444991)
We only have 1 starting CB, the rest, sorry, just sorry. Props to Robinson for the good pick but one little bright moment fails to outshine the sheer utter confusion he normally shows while in coverage.

they got totally taken to school yet again

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Originally Posted by cars4dylan (Post 444991)
On a bright note, no turnovers (albeit because of a blown call on a kickoff)!

plus one or two tip balls that actually went the saints way. lucky lucky

Quote:

Originally Posted by cars4dylan (Post 444991)
Our Def will persist the way it is because of the personnel, our Off may fire at all times and pull some victories out but unless someone flips a switch and makes things happen magically it will be a long season of not shocking losses.

It all starts up front. till the front 4 gets there act together the rest will suffer

arsaint 10-01-2012 07:31 AM

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I've been blaming the D for the past 3 weeks, but yesterday was a complete TEAM failure.

Major screwups in all three phases of the game...

Mardigras9 10-01-2012 12:28 PM

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The DB's are the only part of the defense that are playing. And they are playing with one LB and no defensive line pressure. They are behind the eight ball before the game even starts.

Rugby Saint II 10-01-2012 01:37 PM

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Lofton and Greer are the bright spots on defense.

TheOak 10-01-2012 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 445296)
Lofton and Greer are the bright spots on defense.

After Greers showing yesterday... That is not a good thing.

nutria 10-01-2012 02:04 PM

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They at least looked competitive for most of the game. We are now officially in a rebuilding phase. What can we get on defense in a trade for Drew Brees?

Shoe. 10-01-2012 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 445298)
After Greers showing yesterday... That is not a good thing.

yep very true, he didn't look great, but as many times as he has been our 'shutdown guy' I'm willing to give him a pass for one bad game. Just means the rest of the guys gotta step up a little to help him out

arsaint 10-01-2012 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by nutria (Post 445315)
They at least looked competitive for most of the game. We are now officially in a rebuilding phase. What can we get on defense in a trade for Drew Brees?

A couple of draft picks that we would waste on another Jonathan Sullivan or Charles Grant (aka good for 1-2 years - AT BEST).

TheOak 10-01-2012 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by nutria (Post 445315)
What can we get on defense in a trade for Drew Brees?

Sticky this post as a reference for all generations to see.

WTF?

SaintsBro 10-02-2012 10:35 AM

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Jamessr 10-02-2012 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by nutria (Post 445315)
What can we get on defense in a trade for Drew Brees?

This has to be one of the most ignorant things I've ever read...

spkb25 10-02-2012 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by arsaint (Post 445018)
I've been blaming the D for the past 3 weeks, but yesterday was a complete TEAM failure.

Major screwups in all three phases of the game...

Yeah, pretty much been that way the previous three weeks too, good to see you come around to the realization that the entire team has played bad.

Thought our game against GB was actually our best game to date

Papa Voodoo 10-02-2012 11:05 AM

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Sedrick Ellis, Broderick Bunkley, Cameron Jordan, and Will Smith are all 1st round picks and get 0 pressure. There's a humdinger.

TheOak 10-02-2012 11:06 AM

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Just exactly who has everyone been watching the last few seasons? Our defense and special teams have been points of contention for years.

TheOak 10-02-2012 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 445650)
Sedrick Ellis, Broderick Bunkley, Cameron Jordan, and Will Smith are all 1st round picks and get 0 pressure. There's a humdinger.

Because they were not drafted as QB pressure guys... We've been screaming for years we needed to stop the run and that is what the Front Office built for.

Remember Marshawn Lunch.. We were not worried about pressure on the QB after that season.

Papa Voodoo 10-02-2012 01:20 PM

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Ngata and Wilfork are big DTs that get pressure. Seems like Ellis would be able to push someone back once in a while.

TheOak 10-02-2012 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 445692)
Ngata and Wilfork are big DTs that get pressure. Seems like Ellis would be able to push someone back once in a while.

The locomotive with out the motor just wont run bro...

winmill1 10-02-2012 01:39 PM

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I think Sean Payton is more like Bill B. in New England. His assistants are a product of him. He is a micro manager. My buddy played safety at Lsu and he was describing the difference between Miles and Saban. Miles is a figurehead, like the Queen of England. He will always have good players because he is a good recruiter and because of his name. Miles is not a great in game coach and is a product of his coordinators. If his coordinators suck then he will underachieve. Nick Saban is a micro manager and if his coordinators suck you will never know because Sabans hand is in everything and it's his designs and his plays. If his coordinators leave Alabama remains exactly the same. When coordinators change at LSU it's like a whole different team. New plays new strategy. If you lose the puppetmaster (Payton) the puppets don't dance. IF you lose him it's harder to pick up the pieces if you lose Miles you will see no change or you may get better. Sorry it is off the subject. But it is true. I think Parcells was more of a figurehead who let his knew how to surround himself with the right people and was a great disciplinarian.


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