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Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof )

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Square peg round hole. Our system is designed for pass first run second hence the poor clustered run blocking....

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Old 10-02-2012, 08:48 AM   #21
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Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof )

Square peg round hole. Our system is designed for pass first run second hence the poor clustered run blocking.
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Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof )

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System? Or playcalling? Or how the team is built?

Its no secret our O-line pass protects much better than it run blocks. Maybe that is "system", but I think thats more "style". Maybe we're talking about the same thing but just using different terms.
A combination of all of that. My original wording actually had all three terms in it. So I do think we're on the same page.

I do however believe our line is very strong at run blocking... we just aren't doing it with consistency. With everything, it's all about rythmn and we aren't allowing them to get in their groove. We know this line can run block... it's the same one from last year. Unfortunately for Ingram, this game is all about opportunity. Yes, I think he can be a 1,000 rusher here... he just won't have opportunity to do so.

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With everything, it's all about rythmn and we aren't allowing them to get in their groove. We know this line can run block... it's the same one from last year.
Yeah, exactly, and what I've been saying about it, is that with the playcalling we have, when things start to go wrong, or the minute the momentum starts to slip, or you get behind on the scoreboard early in a game, sometimes the best thing you can do as a team is just get some running rhythm going and CALM EVERYBODY THE **** DOWN and get some confidence back. And for whatever reason our team does not seem to be able to do that with the running game. It just melts down into these really panicky looking 3 and outs.
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Re: Whats wrong with Mark Ingram / Reggie Bush In Our System ( Visual Proof )

I'll also add that by us not running with any consistency, we are losing one of our great weapons, the play action pass. Hard to get a good play action fake after we've thrown the ball 5 times in a row and haven't run it once.
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at the end of the day. our offense is not the problem. We shouldnt have to score 50 pts to win. we consistently put up over 21 pts. our running game is good enough...our defense is NOT
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at the end of the day. our offense is not the problem. We shouldnt have to score 50 pts to win. we consistently put up over 21 pts. our running game is good enough...our defense is NOT
True, our offense may have under-performed, but is still pretty good.

Our defense so far has been pretty pathetic.
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As we saw with Bush.. The NFL is a lot faster league. Pure speed doesnt always work.. you have to be able to read, anticipate, and have some patience.
Thats why the kid is tearing it up in Miami ... They gave him what he was asking for
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Our system is not made to run. The Saints should Never ever draft a Rb. Our line is not a run block line. It is a pass block line like GB and New England. Bigger lineman aren't suppose to let anything in but also they don't make many big holes(because they fill them). It's not Ingram it's our line. When we have good rushing games it is only because the D is so worried about Brees beating them that they drop so many into coverage and that is why our play action and screen game is usually deadly. But when Brees is off and they don't feel threatend by the pass they can shut down both. Ingram could go to Houston right now and put up Arian Foster like numbers no doubt. That is not our game and that is why I scratched my head when we moved up to pick him. New England and Green Bay rarely take rb's that high. Usually any Nfl running back could play in our system. But Ingram is at an unfair advantage because when the d sees him they know it is up the gut. We need to mix it up with him. Just like we need to mix it up with Sproles. Sp would use Sproles 100 different ways and he rushed a lot more than he has this year. Just my opinion.
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Thats why the kid is tearing it up in Miami ... They gave him what he was asking for
And good for him.. I do not care to ever see him "trying" to tear it up in New Orleans again...

His personality was not a fit for the Saints. He was a show boat, brought a lot of drama with the Kardashians etc... to a team that needs to focus. New Orleans provides enough distractions. We have a humble team that is about the team and have no room for Reggie like players that want it their way.
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We have a line that was built to pass protect. Maybe, just maybe the real culprit is Ben Grubbs...........the difference is maybe more than marginal compared to Nicks. I know he grades out well and our tackles suck.
Not all the off field distractions or the lack of a head coach or the lack of play makers on defense...........none of that factors into a crappy running game. It's the size of a hole for a RB to get through.
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