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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Hello , I will once again be doing a segment on why either of our Once Best Football Player In the Nation Running Backs struggle in our System ... Before any Video or Filmwork We have to take a few ...

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Old 10-02-2012, 03:44 AM   #1
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Hello , I will once again be doing a segment on why either of our Once Best Football Player In the Nation Running Backs struggle in our System ... Before any Video or Filmwork We have to take a few things into account ...

1. We have the Best Quarterback in the NFL ... So we are going to throw first and often.

2. Due to the populated backfield , No Ball Carrier can get into a Rhythm with 1 Carry Per Quarter .


Mark Ingrams Bread and Butter Play In College and Featured Play in the majority of his Heisman highlights is the Zone Scheme Outside Run And due to the Success of the play Defenses Tried to take it away in which case he Cut back in for the Dive Play ... All his Plays feature 3 Things ...

1. Wider OLine Stances - They're Giving Him Room To Make a Cut and Find a Alley. Outside Run Or Cutback Dive

2. 1 to 2 Lead Blockers

3. Downfield Blocking ... Wr's , O Lineman Blocking


An Excellent Example is @ 1:14 , He has space a blocker even though once he hits the 2nd Level he has built up so Much Force He gains 10 yards after Contact. C

Case And Point GIVE THE KID SPACE AND A BLOCKER !

Now here He is In N.O doing what we hate to see !


@ 30 Seconds Even , Look at How Cluttered and Crowded Our Line is , ( DIVE PLAY ) He has No Cutback Lanes and Has Nowhere to Go but Into the Backs Of Our Linemen 2 Yard Gain ...

Again @ 1:35 What Hole Is He Supposed to Hit ? And Why are they Continually giving him Dives ?

He is such a Monster he gains some Yards but All that Brawn and No Brain is Wasting His Good Years ...

Again @ 1 :57 ... What do you expect the Man to Do When There are No Lanes and Even Worse Blocking ?

Now Look The First Counter or Outside Run we Give him ... @ 2: 15


Hypothesis : We are incorrectly using Him , He Needs Space , 1 Block and And preferably an outside Call.

Now To Reggie Bush ... THE GREATEST COLLEGE FB PLAYER EVER

What happened ? Lets Watch ....

At USC All the Kid Needed was some Darn Room

His Blocks weren't there sometimes but his explosiveness made up for it. He took the best angle , the most space and made the most of it. AMAZING ...


Now With The Saints ...

It's hard to make a case for him being a bust being that Only His Highlights and not regular game film is posted on Youtube , But Go Ahead and watch any of his games ... HIS BIG PLAYS COME WITH SPACE ...

Looking at it now , I regret Losing Reggie , Would've been 3 Kinds of Kick A** to keep him Get Ingram and Still Snag Sproles ...


But the Hypothesis ... We were Using Our Backs incorrectly , Our offensive line isn't as aggressive as theirs were in College , We Block in Some Clusterf*** of a Wall Leaving them no chance to do what they do best ...

And there it is
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I think Mark Ingram watches his college highlights at night and then cries himself to sleep.
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Ingram was getting 5 yard per carry vs giants

why can't he do that now?

He needs like a 60 yard run to improve his average drastically
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Bush? Saints v. Dolphins difference? Simple...

...it's the Offensive Tackles and ours are just plain offensive...
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The problem with Ingram is not Ingram... Its the coaches play calling and use of him.

To the OP, this is not college and we do not have a QB that is young and able to scramble and run like college QB's. You have to trust your line to widen it.

Ive proven this before Ingram is put in the game when he is intended to get the ball.

That tells every LB, Safety and Dlineman Ingram is in, its a run, and he is getting it.
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Bush? Saints v. Dolphins difference? Simple...

...it's the Offensive Tackles and ours are just plain offensive...
There is more difference than just that. Bush was not an every down back, he had more of the Sproles roll. He also refused to run up he field, he danced too much..
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I'm amazed that anyone can look at our games this year and conclude that Ingram is the problem.

I don't even think its our system. Its our O-line. Plain and simple, they don't run block well at all.

Put Ingram behind that 49er O-line and he's a 1,000 yard back easily.
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I'm amazed that anyone can look at our games this year and conclude that Ingram is the problem.

I don't even think its our system. Its our O-line. Plain and simple, they don't run block well at all.

Put Ingram behind that 49er O-line and he's a 1,000 yard back easily.
I believe in Ingram... but you can expect this reply if it is just the O-Line...

PT can do it.
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I don't even think its our system. Its our O-line. Plain and simple, they don't run block well at all.

Put Ingram behind that 49er O-line and he's a 1,000 yard back easily.
I'm the opposite. It's the system for me.

I do believe in any other system, he's a thousand yard back.
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