PT needs to be our Feature back!!
 

That's all

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+ 1

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we also need to screen and run consistently from the beginning, quit waiting until the 4th quarter

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He already is. Am I missing something?

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He is. We just don't run a whole lot so you would never know.

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He is its just we don't really use a "featured" back. He runs harder then any of our backs, that's why he is listed as the starter. I'm just not getting what wrong with Ingram. Is it size? Is it because our O-line doesn't open big enough holes for him and a smaller back like PT takes advantage? Wish we could get him working like PT.

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PT is always Punishment Time.

We need to move away from the three headed approach. Teams know that when Ingram is in its going to be up the middle. Leaving PT in most of the downs is way moving forward.

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PT is the 2nd most valuable player on this team. He could win games for us if they'd let him.

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I'll rephrase then- PT needs to get the ball more!! The split carries sucks! I'm think the other backs come in to give PT a breather, and that's it. I won't write off Ingram because who knows what he could do if he got the ball more than 4 times a game.

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He isn't the feature back. He starts but we go with run by commitee. He should get the ball everytime we run other than when he is getting a breather.

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I'll agree with that. But PT didn't do any better than Mark the last two games and didn't do much tonight until the 4th quarter.

The still both ended up with about the same average rushing.

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I was screaming at the Television to leave him in the game - just before the play he lost his helmet.

I scared the dogs...

It looked like he was getting into a rhythm.

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I say feed him the rock and let him get those hard yards, it helps to set up the screen and maybe it'll get ingram more involved.

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Committing to the run tonight was so huge. I loved it.

What our play callers don't seem to keep in mind is that even if we're only getting 2 yards/play, running the ball starts to wear-down d-lines.

If we would keep pounding the ball with PT and Ingram maybe we could actually get Drew some time to throw long balls instead of having to rush the short throws that wind up getting picked...

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RB's have to get into a groove. It often takes them 10 to 15 carries to find their rythym. We gotta run early and often.

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Pierre Thomas is the guy that if you really need to, you can put the whole team on his shoulders, and he will CARRY THEM DOWN THE FIELD , for a little while. If you give him the ball he can TAKE A GAME OVER, for a drive or two drives, and I think the non-Payton coaches FINALLY remembered that tonight. It wasn't really number of carries, or that he wore the defense down, or even that he is really THAT good -- it was that Pierre TOOK **** OVER and became untackle-able, when they fed him the ball.

It's not a stat I can point to, concretely, but I felt like there were a lot less of the "panicky" or "jittery" pass/pass/pass 3 and outs tonight, when we were behind. There were some, in the game, but once Pierre got involved, passing and running, things really calmed down. It's kinda what I had been waiting for.

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You would think that the guy we drafted by trading back in the first round a couple of years ago would be our starting RB by now. We all know who that is. As far as PT goes, he has been the best RB so far.

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I think those carries that PT got down the stretch is what really broke down the Chargers defense. He may not have been getting large bulks of yards, but he was grinding them down with some of the toughest runs I've seen from a Saints back since Deuce was healthy. That last long drive the Saints put up had the Chargers offense on the sideline seething and they were there long enough to have to think about what they needed to do to come back and win (which isn't always a good thing). It also gave the Saints defense time to rest up so they could get on the field and pin their ears back in getting after Rivers. When the Chargers got back on offense, they had penalties that hurt them and you could tell they weren't playing with their heads on straight because they were looking for penalties against the Saints every single play. PT's runs, Drew's timely passes, and protecting the football on that last drive were the things that helped finish off the Chargers.

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We looked our normal selves last night, offense was unpredictable mixing run and pass well

The big screen to Pierre was a huge play, Pierre is crucial to our offense getting going

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Agreed. He runs with passion and heart. He might be the most motivated player we have too.

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Is he not our first option?

Now if you mean 20+ touches - tried that and that's not him...

When you got a fresh stable of horses - you keep your horses fresh by not running them into the ground one by one...

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Well if you don't let the horses run they get tired and weak. I don't think he's ever gotton 20 touches a game. What I do know is that he is a playmaker and you feed your playmakers.

How do all of those other teams that have two backs manage to keep them fresh?

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They don't have those long, sustaining drives that we have...

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And they dont have those horses for long.

Can anyone list 32 running backs in the league with over 6 years experience that are work horses for their team and GOOD at it?

Not every team gets a Jackson/Foster (injured a bit)/Peterson/Gore...

You also cant workhorse the screen 20 times a game.. Thats where PT shines.

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I love when PT and Sproles are both in the game at the same time. Last night the Chargers commited to stopping Sproles. Put PT in at the same time and it opens up. Kept putting Sproles wide, pulls one out of the box, opens for PT.

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I think they're just trying to keep him fresh (and healthy) but I agree with the premise that he needs to be getting the lion's share of the carries. I like Sproles a lot, but he obviously wasn't getting it done early yesterday. I'd rather see Sproles sprinkled in throughout the game.

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I agree fully. MI has been MIA. I think they should put him on inactive and bring up the bull. We need a shot in the running game.

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PT23 is the man without a doubt. He can do things that no one else on our team(and most other teams) can do.

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Last 3 games...

Mark Ingram - 15 carries, 38 yards, 2.53 yards per carry
Pierre Thomas 24 carries, 55 yards, 2.29 yards per carry

Maybe its not the RB thats the problem.

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3 games... convenient. :p

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One game can skew stats. Whats wrong with a 3 game window?

Or do you need to throw in the only game we ran well in this entire season, in which all of PT's 2nd half carries came when we were 3 scores behind.

Convenient indeed. Stats are easily manipulated when taken out of context aren't they? ;)

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Why limit to 3 when there is a grand total of 5? Certainly 2 more data points wouldn't discredit the statement?

They are when people are not logic oriented.. First thing that came to mind when I read your post was... We are in week 5.. certainly there is a logical reason why weeks 1 and 2 would be excluded from the data set. After all this is Danno.:clown:

Sort of like choosing to address 1 line out of 50 in a post.

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No, its illogical to not throw out the outliers, especially if they're racked up during garbage time.

If a RB has 25 carries, 24 for 1 yard and 1 for 99 during garbage time, do you really think he's a 4 yard per carry RB? Or are his stats skewed by that one run?

I'm pretty sure the consensus is our O-line (or playcalling) has more to do with our failures at rushing than which RB we use.

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I really don't care about the stats, if one of the RBs gets into a groove...

Hand them the rock, pull them off for a breather and see if the next one feeds off the first one.

This running of/off the field causes them to wonder "Am I supposed to stay on the field?" instead of just turning around and heading back to the huddle or formation.

Let the receivers run on/off the field and let the RB get into a grove... less predictable anyway

You can change backs a couple of times a series not every down...

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thats exactly what i've been saying this whole time.... Give someone... ANYONE a chance to get hot... this 1 rush and head to the sideline is really PISSING me off.... Last year we were 6th in the league rushing ... Lets keep whats working and GROUND AND POUND!!!

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Ahhhh you sneak a little in with each reply don't ya.

Play calling I buy.

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I agree....make Sproles Royce the scatback (Reggie's Role) and make Ivory the bruising 3rd down/fight for yards back(Mike Bell's Role) and we are money for a solid run game.....And trade Ingram for a safety

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What did you do with Thomas?

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The o-line has been sucking. Too much pressure on Brees by the front 4 which causes him to throw int's and to get sacked. Also, it appears the defenses are keying on sproles when he is in the game like they did bush's 2nd year. sproles and PT in the backfield may keep them more honest. I still think MI is trash. Reminds me of Vaughn Dunbar.Alot of hype for all that wipe!