I didn't know Chris Ivory was activated to play last night!
 

Why didn't we play him instead of Ingram?

Saints running back Chris Ivory is active for the first time this season against San Diego on Sunday night, but New Orleans scratched linebacker Jonathan Casillas, who had been limited by a neck injury and was listed as questionable late in the week.

RB Ivory active, LB Casillas out for Saints - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

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We'll take him in Atlanta if you guys aren't going to use him. In fact, we'll take anyone in your group BUT Ingram.

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Should have kept Lofton; he's only leading the league in tackles :bng:

Re: I didn't know Chris Ivory was activated to play last night!
 

Good, you can have Scott Shanle, we don't want him.

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As much as we play nickel, we wouldn't use him much anyways. He'll want to come back next year anyways. I'm sure he's regretting his choice to go to a "winning team."

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Doubt It! Everyone knows what happens to the Falcons in the playoffs... :bng:

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I wish he'd stay healthy. ( linebacker Jonathan Casillas )

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I was just about to comment that you were the first Falcons fan I've come across that had sense. Then you made the "winning team" comment.

So now I am left with saying you compose a good sentence but its filled with gibberish.

Falcons fans play a lot of Mad Libs don't they?


This the most asinine NFL fans are the (type of bird) fans.

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Re: I didn't know Chris Ivory was activated to play last night!
 

For an undisclosed draft pick.......at least a second rounder.lol:airguitar:

Re: I didn't know Chris Ivory was activated to play last night!
 

UNLEASH the BEAST

Alaska

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LOL...Choke!

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If RG3 had not gotten knocked out Atlanta would have lost.

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I don't understand how any team couldn't use the league's leading tackler, nickel or not...

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Not only that, he wasn't even really "knocked out" of the game, under the old rules he would have been right back in the game a series or two later. But was not allowed to return.

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How do you guys figure we would have lost? The only points they scored was a FG after we knocked RGIII out, and then a long TD by Kirk do to a miscommunication by our safeties, which was also the only 3rd down they converted the whole game.

Ignoring the fact that tackles is a grossly overrated stat, it's because he wouldn't see that many snaps. Nicholas and Weatherspoon are better rush and coverage LBs, and in most of our games, Dent(our MLB) has seen less than 10 snaps.

Granted, he's a lot better than Dent, but it would be hard to justify a decent contract to a guy that will probably take most of the season to see more than 100 snaps.

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Double Post

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Tackles are grossly over rated?!? I'm kind of a stat nerd but I've never heard anyone ever say that before. Is that new? Lots of tackles arent a good thing anymore?

When you say Weatherspoon is better at coverage what exactly do you mean? Are you using a metric to compare?
Since Weatherspoon has been in the league he's had 11 passes defended and 1 interception.
Over that time, Lofton has had 12 passes defended and 3 interceptions.

In that same time frame, Lofton has had 319 tackles. Weatherspoon has had only 194. That's less than two thirds of Loftons production. Not to mention the fact that Weatherspoon has one of the lowest tackling efficiency rates of all linebackers in the NFL.

From all that you conclude that the Falcons wouldn't have used Lofton more than 100 snaps in a season? Even Dent, who is having a very poor year statistically is trending to have more snaps than that. That sounds pretty far fetched don't ya think?

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Yes, number of tackles are an overrated stat, and it isn't new. The tackle stat doesn't provide context, at all. Is the player getting tackles after they just gave what should have been a defensed pass, because he took a poor pursuit angle and ended up tackling a ball carrier several yards later than he should have, or a myriad of other examples. It isn't necessarily a bad stat to have a high number of tackles, but it is doesn't really show how good or bad a player is.

My metric is PFF, which is endorsed by players, agents, and personnel around the league. Concerning Lofton though, one thing about him is that historically he's been mediocre in pass coverage, and really doesn't have an instinct for it. With Atlanta, he had to operate with "spot" coverage instead of a true zone. This is where you drop back to a specific spot on the field and hang there rather than playing a true zone where you have to consider depth and tracking players across an area. Weatherspoon last year was fantastic in all phases of the game as we moved through the year, especially in coverage. I'd like to have a source from your tackling efficiency on him.

I never said we wouldn't use him more than 100 snaps either, just that for his contract size, it wouldn't be worth it if he ends up needing most of the season to get past 100 snaps.

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I'm glad you like PFF. I like them too. I'm a subscriber. And coincidently, they're the ones that rated Sean Weatherspoon the worst Linebacker at tackling efficiency.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...y-linebackers/

Here's an article from PFF that mentions what a great move it was for the Saints to upgrade their linebackers with Lofton.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...rleans-saints/

And here's an article from PFF stating that loosing Lofton should be a major concern for the falcons.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...lanta-falcons/



Now, this thread was supposed to be about Chris Ivory and we've completely hijacked it. I apologize to the OP.

If you'd like to read more about Lofton or falcons poor tackling, there's already a thread on the subject. http://blackandgold.com/showthread.php?t=45542

It's full of PFF stats.

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I'll respond in the link you provided.

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I am kind of surprised Ivory hasn't demanded a trade. It's been a while since a Saints player has demanded a trade, wouldn't surprise me if Ivory is the one to do it soon.

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Wouldn't be surprised if something isn't in the works with the Cardinals.
The word out of Saints camp is Ivory hasn't been playing because of fumbles during practice and struggling in picking up the blitz which is really bad since there isn't much contact going on in practice to cause fumbles.

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That certainly was the knock on him in training camp. It seemed like every day they commented on him coughing it up again, sometimes multiple times.

That has to be it. He runs like bull with his ass on fire, so there must be something else there too. He never was a good pass protector, so its probably a combination of the two.

He'll probably get his chance soon. It'll probably be in a game where we're 2 or 3 scores up and they'll see if he can hang onto the ball.