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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Now who's playing with semantics here. Let me rephrase then: Dunta Robinson was flagged right after each play for illegal hits on defenseless players , then was heavily fined for his illegal hits on defenseless players ...

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Old 10-10-2012, 05:25 PM   #91
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Re: NFL re-issues bounty discipline**UPDATED**

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper View Post
Now who's playing with semantics here.
Let me rephrase then:
Dunta Robinson was flagged right after each play for illegal hits on defenseless players, then was heavily fined for his illegal hits on defenseless players, and then your coach went to say "that is how we teach them".

Now, what is the reason hitting a defenseless is illegal? Because of the extreme chance to injure the player. So why would you intentionally hit a defenseless player knowing it is illegal? Obviously to injure him.

So, it logically follows that Coach Mike Smith teaches his players to take illegal hits to defenseless players to intentionally hurt them.
So, Rad, it is pretty hard to argue that logic since it is exactly the same logic you are trying to use against the Saints.

But, give it a try. Seriously.
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:29 PM   #92
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Originally Posted by CharityMike View Post
See the problem is we are not the NFL. If Godell came out and said what you did, they would all be crying. But because he is hammering us, it is ok and must be the gospel. Also don't leave out the fact you are talking about someone from his team. It's like in my post above yours, go away falcon fan. Should have known better than to think anyone from that crap fan base would actually be able to see through bull****.
Heck, no! I don't ever want to see Rad go away. I honestly feel it improves the quality of a board to have differing opinions and outside input. As long as the member remains within the rules he/she should be allowed.
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:45 PM   #93
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Heck, no! I don't ever want to see Rad go away. I honestly feel it improves the quality of a board to have differing opinions and outside input. As long as the member remains within the rules he/she should be allowed.
It improves the quality of the board when we are talking football. This is not football. This is a crime that is happening to our team. We have all kinda folks on this board from other teams but none of them are stupid enough to come on here and challenge us on a topic that is very personal. I don't expect many to understand our love affair with our team. Coming on here and insulting our intelligence isn't going to make me all warm and fuzzy. Some people need to learn there place. You wanna talk about us and our team negatively, go to smack talk. Don't come in here preaching the bible of a dictator, it don't go over well.
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Old 10-10-2012, 07:58 PM   #94
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper View Post
Answer me this:

Do you think Mike Nolan coaches his defense to hit offensive players as hard as they can? Or do you think he tells them "don't hit them as hard as you can because you may hurt someone"?

And about the Williams speech: a lot has been made about that speech, and how Williams instructed his players to tear Michael Crabtree's ACL, kill Frank Gore's head and the body will die, etc etc etc Ok.. well, Crabtree's ACL was fine and dandy after the game. So was Frank Gore's head. If the Saints actually wanted to tear Crabtree's ACL, they could've. Look how easily the Jets hurt Reggie and Cushing in back to back games, and they even said they were going to do it (dotting players, putting hot sauce on players).

Off course, then some things come out, like how the Chiefs have "kill the head and the body will die" painted on a wall. The very NFLN had a segment about the Chiefs that brought this to light. They also ran a promo for their Sounds of the Game show where a 49er coach is telling his linemen "knock the piss out of him" (hmm wonder what that means)... I remember Mike Tomlin screaming at his defense "tear his f*ing head off" during a game I was watching (a very specific body part too)... and it makes you wonder, what do other teams say during their defensive meetings? Wouldn't it be interesting to hear the audio of the other 31 teams during a defensive meeting? What do you think they say or do?

And you didn't say anything regardingt Mike Smith's comments and how he coaches his players to spear defenseless WRs. No comment? Are you agreeing Mike Smith coaches his players to intentionally injure players?
Nothing wrong with telling your guys to hit offensive players as hard as you can. It becomes illegal when you offer up money to injure them, which is what they did. Smith never said he tells his guys to spear WRs.
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To expect to come on a Saints board and think you are going to actually change our opinions on the Bounty crap is just futile. You should have never put your 2 cents in it to begin with. You are the enemy. You are not part of our family. You are an outsider probably running back to your other forum laughing about us. So go back to sucking on Godells teet and leave us alone.
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper View Post
Now who's playing with semantics here.
Let me rephrase then:
Dunta Robinson was flagged right after each play for illegal hits on defenseless players, then was heavily fined for his illegal hits on defenseless players, and then your coach went to say "that is how we teach them".

Now, what is the reason hitting a defenseless is illegal? Because of the extreme chance to injure the player. So why would you intentionally hit a defenseless player knowing it is illegal? Obviously to injure him.

So, it logically follows that Coach Mike Smith teaches his players to take illegal hits to defenseless players to intentionally hurt them.
Hitting a defenseless player is such a judgement call that it is simply impossible to try to coach your players to handle it. You need to separate illegal hits and hitting defenseless players. I don't see what's wrong with telling you players to hit a player as soon as he catches the football. Either way, this is completely besides the point, as there wasn't any money going to Robinson for his hits.
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Nothing wrong with telling your guys to hit offensive players as hard as you can.
Maybe you need to read this article!

Falcons' Robinson fined $40k for illegal hit on Eagles' Maclin - NFL.com

Falcons coach Mike Smith said after the game that he believed it was a legal hit and "that's the way we teach it."

"My opinion didn't change," he said Monday before the NFL made its ruling.
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Nothing wrong with telling your guys to hit offensive players as hard as you can. It becomes illegal when you offer up money to injure them, which is what they did. Smith never said he tells his guys to spear WRs.
Ok, let me get this straight:
Hitting another as hard as you can with legal hits, even if the other gets hurt, is good.
Hitting another as hard as you can with legal hits, even if the other gets hurt, but getting token reward if the other gets hurt, is intent to injure. I got it. Fantastic.

And yes, Mike Smith, when asked specifically about the cleary illegal hits Dunta Robinson landed on defenseless players with the intent to injure them (why else would you land an illegal hit on a defenseless player) he responded "that is how we teach them". He is clearly stating he coaches players to land illegal hits on defenseless players with the intent to injure them.

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Hitting a defenseless player is such a judgement call that it is simply impossible to try to coach your players to handle it. You need to separate illegal hits and hitting defenseless players. I don't see what's wrong with telling you players to hit a player as soon as he catches the football. Either way, this is completely besides the point, as there wasn't any money going to Robinson for his hits.
err... how can you separate illegal hits and hitting defenseless players when hitting a defenseless player is an illegal hit? If a tree falls in the forest...

BTW, how do you KNOW there was no money, or any reward, going Robinson's way?
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Heck, no! I don't ever want to see Rad go away. I honestly feel it improves the quality of a board to have differing opinions and outside input. As long as the member remains within the rules he/she should be allowed.
I don't think people are going to look past the fact that I'm a Falcons fan when I post. I'm sure they all think I'm some Georgia hillbilly that's laughing maniacally and twiddling my fingers together as the whole thing unfolds, simply because it's happening to the Saints. My views wouldn't be any different if it was us, you guys, the Steelers, the Cardinals, etc.
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