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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Radical Well Mitch says that cart-off was never used, but your very post says it. "Large hit that caused a player to miss a play or even the rest of thee game." That's paying for injuring other ...

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Old 10-12-2012, 10:22 AM   #161
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Well Mitch says that cart-off was never used, but your very post says it. "Large hit that caused a player to miss a play or even the rest of thee game." That's paying for injuring other players, hence the punishments.
No, you are wrong. The punishments were initially levied for claims that the Saints intentionally targeted opposing players for injury. That is a huge difference.

Answer me this ... was Sean Witherspoon getting paid when he delivered the following hit on Washington QB Robert Griffin III last week?



I believe he is getting paid millions of dollars to make those type of legal hits, which in some cases such as this results in a "cart-off". Do you think Coach Nolan chastised him for making that play in the defensive film study this week? Were his fellow players disgusted by the play? Chances are he was even rewarded in some way, be it a verbal "damn good hit" or maybe even an extra cookie. Either way it was surely celebrated in some form or fashion.

This is no different than what the Saints players were doing. They had an office pool that paid out small tokens for good legal plays. That's it. That's all.
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Oh... you watch the practices now... Must be an insider.
Or a voyeur.
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Or a voyeur.
He does watch ONE guy an awful lot.
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So... getting back to the Saints...

NFL Communications - Memo to Clubs and Documents Related to Saints

http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/...o-to-clubs.pdf

The facts, however, conclusively undermine this characterization. For example, in a game
between the Saints and the New York Giants in 2009, a Saints player earned a reward for a cartoff
of Giants running back Brandon Jacobs, who left the game with a shoulder injury. After a
2010 game against the Carolina Panthers, the Saints defensive unit was commended for forcing
“3 CART-OFFS! 1 already placed on I.R.!” In that game, three Carolina players were seriously
injured: running backs Jonathan Stewart and Tyrell Sutton, who were literally carted off the
field with a head/neck and ankle injury, respectively, and quarterback Matt Moore, who was later
placed on injured reserve, unable to return for the remainder of the season, with a torn labrum.
These all satisfied Coach Williams’ definition of cart-offs: “big hits that resulted in an opposing
player leaving the game due to the hit (for example, having the “wind knocked out of him” or
being shaken up or injured in some other way)….” He added that “rewarding cart-offs and
knockouts…could encourage players to injure opposing players [and] I now understand that
someone could be seriously injured as a result….”
In addition, sworn declarations of Coach Williams and Mr. Cerullo confirm that a
specific bounty was placed on Brett Favre prior to the NFC Championship game after the 2009
season, as Coach Childress believed to be the case. Mr. Vilma has denied this, but I have decided
that the record as a whole confirms that he made such a pledge. I cannot see why either Coach
Williams or Mr. Cerullo would independently attest to the pledge having been made if it were
not made. In addition, in denying that he made the pledge, Mr. Vilma told me that nothing
unusual took place at the pre-game meeting the night before the NFC Championship game. That
position is inconsistent with the statements of Coach Vitt, who told me that the defensive
meeting the night before the NFC Championship game against Minnesota “got out of hand” and
that a lot of pledges were made by players during that meeting. It is also inconsistent with Mr.
Fujita having told me that many players pledged money for big plays at that meeting.
Additionally, video of the Vikings’ game shows an exchange in which Coach Vitt (mistakenly)
advises the defensive unit that Brett Favre was out of the game due to a broken leg; the Saints
players, including Mr. Hargrove, react immediately to this news, and a voice is heard saying,
“Give me my money.”
There is also no question that when our office initially investigated this matter in
response to Coach Childress’s complaint, players and coaches with the Saints undertook a
deliberate effort to conceal the program. Coach Vitt acknowledged that when he was
interviewed in early 2010, he “fabricated the truth” in denying the bounty program. This continued for three seasons, which allowed this dangerous program needlessly to continue into
the 2011 season.
A dainty little token of cash for a perfectly legal hits that didn't result in any injuries indeed.
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So... getting back to the Saints...

NFL Communications - Memo to Clubs and Documents Related to Saints

http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/...o-to-clubs.pdf



A dainty little token of cash for a perfectly legal hits that didn't result in any injuries indeed.

See the thing is you are like every other HATER and refuse to see reason. Do some research clown...the 3 "Cartoffs" in the NY game were not cart offs, it was for FUMBLES!! Go head..go check

CAN WE PLEASE END THIS THREAD!! If I wanna read unreasonable moronic garbage, spewed from the mouth of kids, about the Bounty crap, I can get this all day on ESPN chat or PFT.
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So... getting back to the Saints...

NFL Communications - Memo to Clubs and Documents Related to Saints

http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/...o-to-clubs.pdf

A dainty little token of cash for a perfectly legal hits that didn't result in any injuries indeed.
Interesting that you bring that up. It has been a point of contention since April that Cerullo was the "informant" and that evidence he produced had been falsified.

Vilma Defamation Suit - July 21

Vilma contends that the handwritten notes, which the NFL claims have been withheld to protect the identity of their author, were created by former Saints assistant coach Mike Cerullo. Vilma alleges that Cerullo had been fired by the Saints after the 2009 season, and that Cerrullo “resented that the Super Bowl ring he received had been made with imitation (cubic zirconia) diamonds.” The notes, per Vilma, were created “well after the 2009 NFC Championship game and in an effort to gain revenge against the Saints.”
Bountygate Evidence May Have Been Fake - April 10

But the other equally interesting tidbit from Donnes' radio interview that seems to have fallen through the cracks is the fact that some of the evidence supplied by Cerullo to the NFL may not have even been real, an hypothesis many Saints fans have posited since news of the scandal first surfaced:

"From a source, in the situation, some of the materials - printed materials - that the whistleblower turned in were suspect and may not have actually been real. And I think Roger Goodell overreacted and now he can't get out of it. And look, the Saints aren't, y'know, virgins here, but they're not the evil guys they're being made out to be."
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This is why it is so important for this whole thing to make it to court where Mike Cerullo and Gregg Williams, among others, can be cross-examined. You have fallen under the same spell as did Goodell by believing in something you want to believe in without attempting to validate its authenticity.
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