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papz 10-12-2012 07:11 AM

New Orleans Saints need Malcolm Jenkins to start delivering on star potential
 
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If the New Orleans Saints hope to salvage this wayward 2012 season, they need everyone on their roster to pick up their games after such a sluggish start. But one guy in particular that really needs to shine brighter is safety Malcolm Jenkins.

The fourth-year pro hasn't necessarily been the defense's weakest link. Like everyone else, he's had a few good plays and a few bad ones this year. But the Saints don't just need Jenkins to be adequate - they need him to be great.
They need the former first-round draft pick to finally start delivering on the immense potential he flashed during his first two NFL seasons.

Maybe it's unfair to single out Jenkins. But it's his own fault, really. He raised the bar for himself in 2010, when he was twice named the NFC Defensive Player of the Week down the stretch of his sophomore year, after he made a smooth transition from cornerback to safety.

Heading into last season, coaches and teammates raved about Jenkins' star qualities. Former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams was obviously enamored with Jenkins, talking all the time about his desire to be a truly "great" player. And former Saints defensive end Alex Brown once heralded Jenkins as one of three "special" players he's played with, along with former Chicago Bears teammate Brian Urlacher and former Florida Gators teammate Jevon Kearse.

This year, teammates voted Jenkins as one of their two defensive captains, along with safety Roman Harper. So it's clear the admiration and respect is still high.

But over the last two seasons, that lofty potential hasn't translated consistently onto the field for Jenkins, who hasn't had an interception since 2010. He has no forced fumbles or fumble recoveries this year after having one of each last year.

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Utah_Saint 10-12-2012 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 448793)
But the Saints don't just need Jenkins to be adequate - they need him to be great.



That's true but just getting to adequate would be a good start.

Mardigras9 10-12-2012 09:08 AM

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A little D-line pressure and LB help would be a great start too. The DB's are the only part of the defense that has been playing. They are behind the eight ball from the start when the opposing QB has all day.

Utah_Saint 10-12-2012 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mardigras9 (Post 448817)
A little D-line pressure and LB help would be a great start too. The DB's are the only part of the defense that has been playing. They are behind the eight ball from the start when the opposing QB has all day.

You're right, just getting to adequate would be a step up for several of the guys on this defense.

st thomas 10-12-2012 10:15 AM

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he needs to take pressure off of himself, trying to be superman is not helping him. just needs to stay focussed, its still a learning experience for him. it will come together just DO YOUR JOB.

UK_WhoDat 10-12-2012 12:39 PM

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..They need the former first-round draft pick to finally start delivering on the immense potential he flashed during his first two NFL seasons.....
Can anyone help an old man remember when these flashes were?

dizzle88 10-12-2012 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat (Post 448877)
Can anyone help an old man remember when these flashes were?

Forcing 2 fumbles on special teams in 2 consecutive weeks, vs eagles and bills

Stripping the ball away from Roy Williams when reggie bush had pretty much lost the game for us, brees gets the ball and wins the game

2 picks vs rams, one for a 99 yard TD return

Wish he played like this more often

73Saint 10-12-2012 03:06 PM

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I mentioned this in the game time chat last week.... I have a Malcolm Jenkins jersey, starting to wonder why now. Anyway, last year, he was my pick for breakout defensive player, and boy was I wrong. Funny thing is, for Christmas, I received not one but Two Jenkins jerseys, both black. I had always thought about what I was going to do with the second one (it still has the tags on it). I knew I was going to do something relative to our forum, such as start a thread w/ trivia or something, eventually giving it away to one of our members. Now I really don't know what to do with it. I hope his stock rises because I do want to give it to someone when it's actually desired. It would be a nice thing to do, IMO. But I don't want to give it away if it's just going to be burned, lol!!

CharityMike 10-12-2012 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mardigras9 (Post 448817)
A little D-line pressure and LB help would be a great start too. The DB's are the only part of the defense that has been playing. They are behind the eight ball from the start when the opposing QB has all day.

True but this has nothing to do with him tackling. He sucks at it! I LMAO when in the article he said he "might" miss a tackle here or there..are you kidding me..you have missed almost as many as you have made.

ChrisXVI 10-13-2012 10:01 AM

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The play of the D-Line and LB's is certainly part of the problem but come on, Malcolm screws up so much on his own. A lot of the time he's completely lost out there.

halloween 65 10-13-2012 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 448993)
The play of the D-Line and LB's is certainly part of the problem but come on, Malcolm screws up so much on his own. A lot of the time he's completely lost out there.

Lost is the key word, from cornerback without speed to cover receivers to safety play that is terrible, lost,yes, LOST CAUSE at FS, possibly he has enough speed and snap to cover a TE or RB coming out of the backfield, a SS he might make a FS he will never ever be!!

Marlboro Man 10-13-2012 11:56 AM

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We'd probably get more trade value for Mark "two yard wonder" Ingram.

jnormand 10-13-2012 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Marlboro Man (Post 449006)
We'd probably get more trade value for Mark "two yard wonder" Ingram.

Hey! You lay off ole "Two Yard"! He gonna try to average 3 ypc by seasons end.

UK_WhoDat 10-13-2012 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 449023)
Hey! You lay off ole "Two Yard"! He gonna try to average 3 ypc by seasons end.

And another thing. "Two Yard" is actually on 2.9 ypc. If only he could gain an extra 1.2 ypc and run as move as slowly as Ironhead did. He would be a useful weapon if we were leading with 2 minutes to play.

p.s. God Bless Ironhead

Danno 10-13-2012 03:47 PM

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Hey! You lay off ole "Two Yard"! He gonna try to average 3 ypc by seasons end.

If his O-line continues to open zero holes, he won't come close.

CharityMike 10-14-2012 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 449036)
If his O-line continues to open zero holes, he won't come close.

It's a vicious circle. The offense can't open holes for Ingram because when he is in there, the D knows we are going to run. No element of surprise.

Danno 10-14-2012 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 449097)
It's a vicious circle. The offense can't open holes for Ingram because when he is in there, the D knows we are going to run. No element of surprise.

But we're seeing the same results when Pierre Thomas runs too, and he's one of the best RB's in the entire league.

Rell&Gold 10-14-2012 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 448900)
Forcing 2 fumbles on special teams in 2 consecutive weeks, vs eagles and bills

Stripping the ball away from Roy Williams when reggie bush had pretty much lost the game for us, brees gets the ball and wins the game

2 picks vs rams, one for a 99 yard TD return

Wish he played like this more often

remember everything but the reggie bush part

SaintsBro 10-15-2012 11:18 AM

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Reggie dropped a pass that likely would've gone for a sure touchdown and fumbled a punt eventually causing an 11 point swing in the game

TheOak 10-15-2012 12:43 PM

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Speaking of holes.... Who watched the NYG/49ers game?

Is it me or did Bradshaw have huge gaping holes to run through ?

dizzle88 10-15-2012 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 449296)
Reggie dropped a pass that likely would've gone for a sure touchdown and fumbled a punt eventually causing an 11 point swing in the game

Exactly how I remember it, Malcolm saved us that day

Danno 10-15-2012 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 449328)
Speaking of holes.... Who watched the NYG/49ers game?

Is it me or did Bradshaw have huge gaping holes to run through ?

Nope, its not just you. I saw the same EXACT thing and thought wow, if our RB's had those holes we'd be near the top of the league. I was tempted to post about that last night but fell asleep.

I'm glad someone else noticed.

SaintsBro 10-15-2012 02:22 PM

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Yeah, it seemed obvious to me that the Giants had tremendous success once they abandoned the run completely, early in the game, after 6-7 carries, and went into that panicky jittery pass/pass/pass formation the rest of the game

/sarcasm off

But yeah seriously. One article I read said something like 2.1 yards per carry in the first half, 23 rushing yards in the whole first half, then 120 something in the 2nd half. Even when they were only getting 1, 2 or even zero yards, early on in the game, they kept plugging away and running and then it paid off. They didn't give up on it even if it was stiff going at first, and it finally wore the defense down.

TheOak 10-15-2012 02:31 PM

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Title could be changed from "Malcom Jenkins" to (insert defensive starter name here)

Rugby Saint II 10-16-2012 02:08 PM

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We need to just move on from Jenkins. Move along now......there's nothing to see here.:cool:

TheOak 10-16-2012 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 449615)
We need to just move on from Jenkins. Move along now......there's nothing to see here.:cool:

When there little yellow bus is there make sure they save a seat for Shanle.

hagan714 10-16-2012 07:47 PM

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i say i was wrong about the move to FS years ago. Maybe SS is a better position for him. seems like his best plays come close to the line.

MatthewT 10-17-2012 02:47 AM

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The main reason Malcolm Jenkins looks so mediocre is because he is. He plays a position that requires true play maker ability. Not saying he doesn't have that potential, but he is no where close to Darren Sharper, Sammy Knight, or Tommy Myers for that matter. A FS is a position that needs to pick off passes, bottom line. Jenkins for whatever reason has not learned that art just yet. Moving Jenkins to SS does merit some conversation, but then what to do with Harper? This by itself pretty much tells the tale on why the defense is so bad. Please note I am not solely blaming these guys because they do play hard, just saying the Saints don't have the defensive play makers that are needed, especially in today's game.

Danno 10-17-2012 07:36 AM

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Moving Jenkins to SS is a terrible idea. He's not a very good tackler at all. It would be like moving Shanle to MLB. FS is the only position Jenkins will ever play in the NFL IMO.

When our front 7 starts to play better, he will improve.

halloween 65 10-17-2012 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 449830)
Moving Jenkins to SS is a terrible idea. He's not a very good tackler at all. It would be like moving Shanle to MLB. FS is the only position Jenkins will ever play in the NFL IMO.

When our front 7 starts to play better, he will improve.

He could learn to tackle, SS might be the position he can play, he is not a true FS, no way shape or form. Most times I agree with you, this time I can't.

darstep 10-17-2012 04:05 PM

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I agree Danno.
He, along with the other guys will look a whole lot better with improved front-7 play.
Even Greer is looking rookie-ish. 3-4 seconds is about the limit for any decent DB.
After that you are asking a bit much in coverage. Hanging in after two moves is plenty.
That aside...there is no excuse for letting guys get behind you with 45 seconds left in the half.
Even with no pass rush, and the D-line just keeping the QB coralled, it's just unacceptable.
And I'm not talking about one slip up in one game, this happens every week it seems.
Next years draft has GOT to be defensive; and free agency too.
We have scored enough points every week to be undefeated.
If we kept teams to 20 or less (2 TD's and 2 FG's), we are 5-0.
I'm thinking Spagnuolo doesn't have what he wants up front, or not getting what he wants,
and it's killing the back end. Seems like they should pick run-or-pass and stop ONE of them.
As it is, we ain't stopping SCHLITZ!

CharityMike 10-18-2012 08:21 AM

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Maybe front 7 play would help him in coverage but again..front 7 play has ZERO to do with tackling. The dude can't tackle for s h i t !!!

TheOak 10-18-2012 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 449989)
Maybe front 7 play would help him in coverage but again..front 7 play has ZERO to do with tackling. The dude can't tackle for s h i t !!!

Tackling someone in open field at full speed is not a science. If the front 7 do their job, the guy with the ball is a little slower, a little off balance, not as effective.

dizzle88 10-18-2012 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 449989)
Maybe front 7 play would help him in coverage but again..front 7 play has ZERO to do with tackling. The dude can't tackle for s h i t !!!

I don't understand why he doesn't like tackling, he's a big physical player and could hit like a truck if he adopted the proper technique, but he just dives at people's feet

TheOak 10-18-2012 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 449993)
I don't understand why he doesn't like tackling, he's a big physical player and could hit like a truck if he adopted the proper technique, but he just dives at people's feet

That is called fear... No two ways about it.

UK_WhoDat 10-20-2012 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 449993)
I don't understand why he doesn't like tackling, he's a big physical player and could hit like a truck if he adopted the proper technique, but he just dives at people's feet

Because he is crap at it

Marlboro Man 10-21-2012 06:04 PM

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I have to agree with all the bad press Jenkins has been getting because it's well deserved, but today, when everyone else quit on that 95 yard play by the Bucs, it was Jenkins who got our fat out the fire. So, if you bash him for his bad play, you have to give him props for his good plays too.

|Mitch| 10-21-2012 06:07 PM

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He also tackled Blount on that 3rd and 1 goal-line stand, then it was Will Herring who ran Freeman out on 4th down...


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