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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; A couple of weeks ago interim head coach Aaron Kromer told the media that, "The current group of backs gives us the best chance to win." I'm sorry coach, but that's not true. In the past three years, the Saints ...

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Old 10-14-2012, 07:34 AM   #1
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A statistical look at Saints running backs Chris Ivory and Mark Ingram to try and determine once and for all which one is actually better.

A couple of weeks ago interim head coach Aaron Kromer told the media that, "The current group of backs gives us the best chance to win." I'm sorry coach, but that's not true. In the past three years, the Saints have won 60% of the games when Ingram played compared to winning 70% of the games that Ivory played in.

The stats show that Ivory has been a better back for the Saints. Numbers never lie.

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Re: A statistical look at Saints running backs Chris Ivory and Mark Ingram to try and determine once and for all which one is actually better.

We shouldn't have traded up to get Ingram, as much as I loved the pick because I instantly thought we'd have the best backfield in the league, Jason Pierre Paul was still on the board and our D line has been suffering for years

I tried to stay positive about Ingram, thinking one day he'll show everyone and atleast rip off a 30, 40 yard TD, still waiting
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Re: A statistical look at Saints running backs Chris Ivory and Mark Ingram to try and determine once and for all which one is actually better.

I still believe Ingram is a good back, not nearly as good as Ivory. Ivory has alot more heart and drive in him than Ingram, if Ingram ever fines some heart he could be really good. It took the Steelers RB. 3 years to develop they had basically given up on him and he realized he had to go out and play like he has nothing to lose, he started performing, Ingram is in the same boat as Mendinhall nothing to lose now is the time he digs down and sees who he is, the 1st round pick or someone that had a chance and blew it. I would like to see Ingram and Ivory lined up togather in the backfield the D would have to play tight and that leaves alot of 1 on 1 on the outside, the D would have to pick their poison leaving us to pick ours, overall I think ours would be so much better.
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Re: A statistical look at Saints running backs Chris Ivory and Mark Ingram to try and determine once and for all which one is actually better.

Yep, nothing like looking at stats to determine something once and for all.
How about considering...

He fumbled all thru training camp and continues to fumble during practice.

Ivory has not run behind this O-line yet.
Ivory is not good in pass protection.
Ivory is fragile.
Ivory has not run in a game coached by these guys yet.


Here's the stat that should tell you once and for all who the better running back is...

2012 carries...
Ingram - 37 carries
Ivory - ZERO

And I'm a huge Chris Ivory fan. I wouldn't mind playing Ivory just to shake things up a bit, but this article is poorly supported.
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Honestly, because our OLine is so bad is exactly why we need ivory. Ivory can push the pile way better than Ingram.

We need them both. We always forget what happens to our RB corp every year in the playoffs. We are usually decimated. The more RB the better but I think ivory should be getting the start. Dude is way more explosive than Ingram.
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Re: A statistical look at Saints running backs Chris Ivory and Mark Ingram to try and determine once and for all which one is actually better.

It's like hanging on to a "feel good" stock in the stock market, as it PLUNGES.

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Re: A statistical look at Saints running backs Chris Ivory and Mark Ingram to try and determine once and for all which one is actually better.

I personally believe the problem is not personnel, it's scheme. I don't really know if there is or should be a place for Ivory. I personally love the power run game, but the fact will remain we are a pass first offense. We need balance, but the strength of our offense is our pass attack.

The problem I see is running scheme. It doesn't help that our o-line has been inconsistent, but the issue is predictability in our rush attack. Whenever Ingram comes in we run the ball. Whenever Sproles comes in we pass the ball. We run Sproles and Thomas in predictable rush situations. We screen pass in predictable situations. One of the beauties of Sean Payton is that he ran any and every play out of multiple formations and multiple personnel packages. He didn't let the personnel or formation dictate the play call. And that messed with the minds of defenses. He'd throw the ball to any individual out of a constantly seen formation, and he'd rotate bodies in and keep doing the same thing. Defenses never knew who the primary target was and he never let the personnel or formation give away his intentions. He'd run out of pass looks and pass out of run looks, or he'd simply line up the same formation and just run a myriad of plays out of that same look over and over. We are missing that unpredictability factor and letting defenses in on our intentions. If I can guess what we are going to do just by seeing who's in the game and how we line up then the defense and coordinators much smarter than me sure can.
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Re: A statistical look at Saints running backs Chris Ivory and Mark Ingram to try and determine once and for all which one is actually better.

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Yep, nothing like looking at stats to determine something once and for all.
How about considering...

He fumbled all thru training camp and continues to fumble during practice.

Ivory has not run behind this O-line yet.
Ivory is not good in pass protection.
Ivory is fragile.
Ivory has not run in a game coached by these guys yet.


Here's the stat that should tell you once and for all who the better running back is...

2012 carries...
Ingram - 37 carries
Ivory - ZERO

And I'm a huge Chris Ivory fan. I wouldn't mind playing Ivory just to shake things up a bit, but this article is poorly supported.
I agree. I'd like to see them use Ivory for the power run game more but this article is pretty one sided.

Ingram 1 fumble in 159 carries
Ivory has a fumble for every 54 carries (4 fumbles, 216 carries)
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Re: A statistical look at Saints running backs Chris Ivory and Mark Ingram to try and determine once and for all which one is actually better.

I cringe everytime I see Ingram or Ivory get the Football.

More so with Ingram because I know damn well he wont go no where but into the backs of his lineman and fall down.
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Old 10-14-2012, 05:33 PM   #10
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Re: A statistical look at Saints running backs Chris Ivory and Mark Ingram to try and determine once and for all which one is actually better.

Im hopin once this coach is back to his o line duties Vitt will let Ivory get sum playing time.... Im tired of mark ingram.... give Ivory a shot !
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