Bucs notes: Crucial call keeps Saints' TD drive alive
 

I haven't heard anything about this.

With the Saints ahead 28-21 early in the quarter, New Orleans lined up for a 50-yard field goal attempt. Tampa Bay's line suddenly shifted en masse and the Bucs were hit with a 15-yard unsportsmanlike penalty after the snap, giving the Saints a first down at the Bucs 18-yard line.

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Bad coaching not gonna' cut it in the NFL.

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Why do we never get credit for our work....why does everything have to be luck or fluke smh

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Don't pull college gimmicks in a PRO game. As one announcer said this isn't Rutgers. It cheapens the game. If you want to do that go back to college because the refs will not tolerate it.

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It was actually really funny...About 20 minutes after the game was over, they asked Mike Perrera about it, on the Fox post-game show, asked him about that call, and he sorta rolled his eyes and made this FACE, a total smirk, and he was like, "well, you can maybe get away with that kind of thing at Rutgers, but not in the pro's." He basically crapped all over that formation and the whole jumpy/shift thing, and Perrerra basically dissed Schiano for trying it. But the look on his face was awesome.

Now I kinda have this theory that, in the unspoken reading between the lines, or the vibe type of thing, the "game within the game" and all that....I think that the refs are kinda starting to look down on Greg Schiano and all this bag of "college tricks" crap he's been doing. The whole thing with the taking the knee thing, and now this... I think it's quite possible that as the season wears on, Schiano is going to discover that if he keeps on doing that type of stuff, he will NOT be getting the calls from the refs when he needs them. I mean, we've all seen it -- once you get on the refs' bad side as a coach, once they make up their mind about you, then when you go to plead your case on a bad call it's "talk to the hand." Now that they've identified him as a PITA, I don't think the refs are going to be very "generous" with Schiano about anything.

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Greg Schiano gets on my nerves. Entering field of play often. Talking at the refs most times. During timeouts, pointing out stuff to the refs. At the end of the 2nd Qr, giving the refs another load of stuff.

Thank goodness, the refs went about their business.

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:cheering: <------ Don't ya think that looked like the Bucs on the "play"

:rofl: <------ me


:dunce: <------- What the officials saw when they were looking at Greg Schiano when he was moaning

:rofl: <------ me



:no: <------ What the Bucs looked like after the call

:rofl: <------ me

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The refs made the right call on that one, but they definitely made their share of bad calls in the game... although they probably evened out in the end between the two teams.

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Yeah, I can't understand how after a review they couldn't overturn that bad call on Harper's interception, when it seemed a pretty airtight call from the replays FOX was providing.

Also, that first illegal contact call, or whatever it was, that was called against Harper - or Elbert Mack #44 - on Dallas Clarke was a ridiculous call to make... which kept the Bucs' drive going in the 4th.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a rule that states that if you are a defensive player, you are allowed to push the WR out of bounds if the QB is out of the pocket?

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Just imagine how well liked Schiano would be if he coached the Failcons? University of Idaho is looking for a new coach, i'm sure he'd fit in there.

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Yes, thats why PR pushed him, then immediately started showing the ref after his catch.

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Both plays the Bucs are whining about, they are whining about because they don't know the rules.

On the FG attempt, at least 2 rules were broken:
when they shifted, one player shifted in front of the center, and you can't line up directly in front of the center on long snaps. Then trying to verbally emulate the snap count. They also could've been called for "flinching" (I don't recall the exact terminology at this moment), or trying to draw the o-line offside by a quick forward move pretending they were charging.

On the Robinson push, the pocket is not defined by the hash marks, but the tackles. Once the QB runs past his tackle, he's "out of the pocket". Although, I've seen that call be made the other way if the QB still has the ball cocked, but not when the QB is in full run.

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Its amazing how many people knew this rule...
I didn't even give it a thought until after it happened. Same thing was said on Scott Van Pelt show. He didn't even really realize it until after it happened.

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Shouldn't the title be "Stupid COACHing call keeps drive alive?"

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Nope... The WR should have known and taken him self out. QB cant see feet that far away to know if he was in or out.

The WR should have let the QB know he was ineligible.

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Can't agree with you on that. All it would have taken is one finger on the ball by any defender and that would have been a TD. Jenkins showed you never give up on a play no matter what. It's the one time I'm glad our defense didn't have their hands up and possibly tip that ball.

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A 30 yard pass does not go to the intended receiver when tipped. A tip light enough to not deflect at all would have not been called a tip.


Jenkins and this play are apples to oranges. Had Williams not taken him self out it could have gone to an eligible receiver and been a TD.

Disagree if you like, it doesn't change the fact that when that ball left Freemans hand on its way to Williams the game was over no matter what happened after that.

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I thought the calls heavily favored the Bucs. Between the interception they clearly took from us, which led to a Tampa touchdown, and I believe it was on their last touchdown drive that the refs kept making bogus calls on third and 4th downs, including an illegal contact call on an incomplete pass that turned 4th and 25 into an automatic first down. The Suckaneers have no right to whine.

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He didn't necessarily have to give up on the play, just not wave his hands to the QB as if saying "I'm open" because he should've known he wasn't eligible to touch the ball first; rather, since the QB was running, he could've blocked someone to clear space for another receiver to make the play, or clear a path for the ball carrier.

But really, at that point, in that situation, after being pushed out of bounds and knowing the rule, taking yourself out of the play is the smart thing to do. It has nothing to do with lack of effort.

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True, if the game was called exactly correct, we win by 3 scores.

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I think in that situation it's a lot easier for a defender to remember the rules and have game awareness than the receiver, who by that point is just running around trying desperately to make a play. Which is kind of exactly what I think happened there.

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If I'm not mistaken, I believe he's referring to the FG attempt, which is what the headline refers to.

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In contrast... two of the most important things a receiver should ALWAYS know? Where your feet are, and where the line is.

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Agreed. If you're a receiver, you simply cannot forget that rule or just plain not know where you are. Receivers make circus-tight roping catches along the sidelines all the time. They know where they are, so for Williams to not know that is pretty sad. But it was absolutely the right call, and if he doesn't run out of bounds he never would have gotten so open, because the defender already knew his man was out of the play.