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TheOak 10-23-2012 10:55 AM

Nolan Nawrocki - Why we need this guy
 
We have made questionable draft picks... This guy has mad skills.

Read it in FULL... then look at the date

ProFootballWeekly.com - Cam Newton scouting report

"Negatives: Played in a simplified, run-first, dive-option read offense with very basic high-low reads. Worked exclusively out of the gun and was very quick to run at the first flash of coverage. Limited field vision — does not process the passing game. Inconsistent throwing mechanics with a flick delivery — generates all of his power from his upper-body strength and too often arms the ball. Streaky passer with spotty accuracy. Makes his receivers work hard and throws into coverage. Does not spin a tight spiral. Very disingenuous — has a fake smile, comes off as very scripted and has a selfish, me-first makeup. Always knows where the cameras are and plays to them. Has an enormous ego with a sense of entitlement that continually invites trouble and makes him believe he is above the law — does not command respect from teammates and always will struggle to win a locker room. Only a one-year producer. Lacks accountability, focus and trustworthiness — is not punctual, seeks shortcuts and sets a bad example. Immature and has had issues with authority. Not dependable.
Summary: An extremely talented, dual-threat QB who carried Auburn to a national title, Newton has the arm and athletic talent desired in a rollout, play-action, bootleg vertical passing game and would fit ideally into an offense such as that of the Redskins or Raiders. However, he always will test the rules, be difficult to manage and lacks the intangibles to win the trust of a locker room. Will require a very strong-willed, demanding coach to live up to his potential and avoid the trappings of fame and fortune, but even the greatest taskmaster will not be able to keep away the drama that is still swirling from a stained Heisman Trophy and littered recruiting trail that Newton left in the SEC. Can provide an initial spark, but will quickly be dissected and contained by NFL defensive coordinators, struggle to sustain success and will not prove worthy of an early investment. An overhyped, high-risk, high-reward selection with a glaring bust factor, Newton is sure to be drafted more highly than he should and could foreclose a risk-taking GM's job and taint a locker room."

Remember to look at the date on the previous article.

Now read this.
Marty Hurney, Carolina Panthers GM, fired as team starts 1-5 - ESPN

D_it_up 10-23-2012 01:42 PM

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Yeah, we need to hire this guy as a scout.

Shoe. 10-23-2012 01:49 PM

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Jeez talk about telling it like it was going to be.

I'd think he had a Delorean or something

Rell&Gold 10-23-2012 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoe. (Post 451442)
Jeez talk about telling it like it was going to be.

I'd think he had a Delorean or something

Lol that was a nice one

Beastmode 10-23-2012 03:15 PM

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Even when I was a dirt poor college student I would never consider stealing a laptop. Some days I had no money for food but I made it through and graduated, something Cam never did. He may have all the physical skills but mentally, he's never going to be able to inspire and lead a team to glory. The Panthers would be smart to just cut their losses. I know they won't but it won't get any better until he's gone.

Crusader 10-23-2012 03:52 PM

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Actually I would like to see more of this guys reports before getting impressed. The only thing I have seen from Newton is everything I expected...

lumm0x 10-23-2012 04:43 PM

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Here's another one I found decent by him after this past weekend:

ProFootballWeekly.com - Miscast Harper infects Saints' defense

Rugby Saint II 10-23-2012 05:03 PM

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I like that he is still getting playing time. A lot of people wanted his head just the other day.

saintfan 10-23-2012 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Shoe. (Post 451442)
Jeez talk about telling it like it was going to be.

I'd think he had a Delorean or something

Nicely done! LOL

Danno 10-23-2012 07:27 PM

Re: Nolan Nawrocki - Why we need this guy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 451398)
We have made questionable draft picks... This guy has mad skills.

Read it in FULL... then look at the date

ProFootballWeekly.com - Cam Newton scouting report

"Negatives: Played in a simplified, run-first, dive-option read offense with very basic high-low reads. Worked exclusively out of the gun and was very quick to run at the first flash of coverage. Limited field vision — does not process the passing game. Inconsistent throwing mechanics with a flick delivery — generates all of his power from his upper-body strength and too often arms the ball. Streaky passer with spotty accuracy. Makes his receivers work hard and throws into coverage. Does not spin a tight spiral. Very disingenuous — has a fake smile, comes off as very scripted and has a selfish, me-first makeup. Always knows where the cameras are and plays to them. Has an enormous ego with a sense of entitlement that continually invites trouble and makes him believe he is above the law — does not command respect from teammates and always will struggle to win a locker room. Only a one-year producer. Lacks accountability, focus and trustworthiness — is not punctual, seeks shortcuts and sets a bad example. Immature and has had issues with authority. Not dependable.
Summary: An extremely talented, dual-threat QB who carried Auburn to a national title, Newton has the arm and athletic talent desired in a rollout, play-action, bootleg vertical passing game and would fit ideally into an offense such as that of the Redskins or Raiders. However, he always will test the rules, be difficult to manage and lacks the intangibles to win the trust of a locker room. Will require a very strong-willed, demanding coach to live up to his potential and avoid the trappings of fame and fortune, but even the greatest taskmaster will not be able to keep away the drama that is still swirling from a stained Heisman Trophy and littered recruiting trail that Newton left in the SEC. Can provide an initial spark, but will quickly be dissected and contained by NFL defensive coordinators, struggle to sustain success and will not prove worthy of an early investment. An overhyped, high-risk, high-reward selection with a glaring bust factor, Newton is sure to be drafted more highly than he should and could foreclose a risk-taking GM's job and taint a locker room."

Remember to look at the date on the previous article.

Now read this.
Marty Hurney, Carolina Panthers GM, fired as team starts 1-5 - ESPN

Half of us here said the same things about him.

saintsfan1976 10-23-2012 07:33 PM

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After the first paragraph, I knew it was Scam Newton.

Tobias-Reiper 10-23-2012 07:50 PM

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I agree with Danno. To borrow from Mr Nawrocki, a circus chimpanzee sitting on a bar stool could've figured that out.

As for Harper "infecting" the defense (too much condescending hyperbole, the mark of someone... never mind), I would say it is kind of hard to not "infect' the defense playing in the backfield when the opposing QB has all day to throw the ball.

burningmetal 10-23-2012 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 451517)
I agree with Danno. To borrow from Mr Nawrocki, a circus chimpanzee sitting on a bar stool could've figured that out.

As for Harper "infecting" the defense (too much condescending hyperbole, the mark of someone... never mind), I would say it is kind of hard to not "infect' the defense playing in the backfield when the opposing QB has all day to throw the ball.

Harper has been here for 7 years now. We weren't always so bad at getting pressure during that time, yet Harper has been consistently exposed as a horrible cover man. He can make a hit on a QB, but if you're going to play a SS at the line of scrimmage just to avoid exposing him, then either make him a LB or get rid of him. Anybody remember Sammy Knight? He was slow as molasses, but he was a major play-maker in the passing game and punished runners. Harper is actually more athletic than he was, yet can do nothing but bull rush.

TheOak 10-24-2012 03:07 PM

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I would love to see the posts where anyone predicted the Gm would get fired.

Danno 10-24-2012 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 451526)
Harper has been here for 7 years now. We weren't always so bad at getting pressure during that time, yet Harper has been consistently exposed as a horrible cover man.

No he hasn't

burningmetal 10-25-2012 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 451717)
No he hasn't

Yes... He has. Anyone can see that. But you're welcome to attempt an explanation next time.

Danno 10-25-2012 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 451891)
Yes... He has. Anyone can see that. But you're welcome to attempt an explanation next time.

Done it a million times. Try the search button.;)

If people can't see it after explaining it multiple times, they are either incapable of understanding or don't want to.

Tobias-Reiper 10-25-2012 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 451715)
I would love to see the posts where anyone predicted the Gm would get fired.


Oh, come on. Now you going to elevate this guy to Jeane Dixon status? :)

Just about everything he said about Newton, many others said as well. And I am pretty sure a number of people said that about the Panthers' GM, because every time someone picks a QB high in the draft, people always say someone's career, either coach of GM, is tied to the pick.

The funny thing is, Hurley didn't want Newton. That was a Richardson decision. Richardson is the quiet Jerry Jones.

TheOak 10-26-2012 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 451943)
Oh, come on. Now you going to elevate this guy to Jeane Dixon status? :)

Just about everything he said about Newton, many others said as well. And I am pretty sure a number of people said that about the Panthers' GM, because every time someone picks a QB high in the draft, people always say someone's career, either coach of GM, is tied to the pick.

The funny thing is, Hurley didn't want Newton. That was a Richardson decision. Richardson is the quiet Jerry Jones.

Produce another scouting report on Newton as accurate. Talk is cheap and this cat put the dirty on the record.

Do it.. Just do it.

Tobias-Reiper 10-26-2012 07:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 452094)
Produce another scouting report on Newton as accurate. Talk is cheap and this cat put the dirty on the record.

Do it.. Just do it.

Come on, dude. This cat was probably talking out of his ass and just happened to hit the somewhat right phrase. Had he say "an owner is going to fall in love with Newton, demand he be drafted, and then this owner will fire the GM to appease the fans when the QB doesn't succeed on his second year", then I MAY CONSIDER giving credit to this cat clairvoyance.

Again, Jeane Dixon.

burningmetal 10-26-2012 04:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 451893)
Done it a million times. Try the search button.;)

If people can't see it after explaining it multiple times, they are either incapable of understanding or don't want to.

Forgive me if I don't subscribe to your Roman Harper posts. If you're going to say something to me, you should try to give ME a better explanation.

Regardless, it is foolish to suggest Harper isn't a horrible cover man, when the entire NFL and it's fans know he is. Why do you think he's always up at the line of scrimmage?

ChrisXVI 10-26-2012 05:13 PM

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Harper may not be quite as bad in coverage as everyone says he is but here's the problem... He's an old school strong safety. In today's pass happy NFL the SS needs to be equally adept in pass coverage as anything else. So it's just a matter of Harper being damn good by traditional SS standards, but with the way the game has changed, he might not be ideal against offenses that air it out.

Danno 10-26-2012 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 452272)
Forgive me if I don't subscribe to your Roman Harper posts. If you're going to say something to me, you should try to give ME a better explanation.

Regardless, it is foolish to suggest Harper isn't a horrible cover man, when the entire NFL and it's fans know he is. Why do you think he's always up at the line of scrimmage?

Chock full o' wrong.

burningmetal 10-26-2012 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 452275)
Chock full o' wrong.

There you go again. A 3-4 word sentence telling me I'm wrong. How am I wrong? Is it not a fact that Gregg Williams used Harper as a blitz specialist? and now it appears that Spagnuolo is catching on to the fact that this is the only way to use him aswell. These aren't simply pundits going around saying this... I'm going strictly by what I have seen with my own eyes.

I am perfectly willing and able to comprehend the facts about Roman Harper, and the truth is that he can't cover. He is consistently out of position, and has no speed to make up for mistakes. He does ok at covering tight ends every now and then, though even then he still manages to get burned at some point during the game. But covering a TE should be a linebacker's job. It further proves my original point that if you're going to bring your SS way up in order to keep him from being exposed, then he needs to be moved to linebacker or be cut.

TheOak 10-26-2012 07:22 PM

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I use my screwdriver to open paint cans.. It still drives a good screw.

Utah_Saint 10-26-2012 08:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 452289)
I use my screwdriver to open paint cans.. It still drives a good screw.

Roman "Screwdriver" Harper


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