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View Poll Results: What Is/Are the Biggest Problems With the Saints' Defense?
Lack of Talent on Defensive Line 24 39.34%
Lack of Talent at Cornerback 5 8.20%
Lack of Talent at Safety 3 4.92%
Scheme, still need time to learn 16 26.23%
Commitment to 1st Rounders, FA Contracts, Need Young Guns to Play 3 4.92%
Lack of Running Game, Puts Defense on Field to Much 10 16.39%
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Why Is the Defense So Bad?

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by jeanpierre This guy hangs it on defensive talent evaluation, which is ultimately on Loomis... Saints Nation: Saints Problems on Defense Due to Poor Talent Evaluation? | September ITs is very possible that our defensive talent scouts really ...

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Old 10-23-2012, 09:21 PM   #11
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Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad?

Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
This guy hangs it on defensive talent evaluation, which is ultimately on Loomis...

Saints Nation: Saints Problems on Defense Due to Poor Talent Evaluation? | September
ITs is very possible that our defensive talent scouts really suck, as oppose to the offensive ones. I do agree that we have signed and drafted the wrong players on defense a lot.

For some reason all the brilliance seems to be on offense and we cant miss with players. While defense is consistent at under performing in most categories.
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Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad?

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper View Post
Loomis is an accountant. He just works the contracts.
If that's the case, then who/whom are calling the shots on players that are brought in?
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
If that's the case, then who/whom are calling the shots on players that are brought in?
well my understanding is we pay roll defensive talent scouts for college and NFL, but the DC decides who he wants and then cross checks with loomis on cap.

As an example
How to Rebuild the New Orleans Saints Defense | Bleacher Report
""""Next up on the defensive rebuilding checklist is adding playmakers. The Saints scouting department has to identify playmakers at all three levels; defensive line, linebacker and secondary."""
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:09 PM   #14
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Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad?

Takes time to learn a new Defense
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:36 PM   #15
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Takes time to learn a new Defense
I agree, I am keeping my opinion in check until after game 8, thats usually enough time. I think game 9 we see what we are suck with the rest of the way.
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Old 10-23-2012, 11:40 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by QBREES9 View Post
Takes time to learn a new Defense
Yes sir it does (and Thank You for the avatar); and there's an evaluation as well as to whether or not we are getting the most from the personnel that are being paid...
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:51 AM   #17
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There should be an "All of the Above" option.
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:33 AM   #18
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Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad?

I am not totally buying the new defensive scheme theory, but it is a factor for sure. Spags had some complete freaks in New York, what I mean by that is the front four he had was over the top. In most cases, teams will not find four guys who can get after the QB when they are going up against a minimum of five, throw in a TE and RB to help and it can easily roll to a 7 on 4 drill.

What Spags needs to realize is he doesn't have the dominating front four he had in the past, and needs to adjust accordingly. Good coordinators always adjusts schemes for the personnel they have available. I do see some signs that Spags is adjusting somewhat, we shall see if he figures out a way to at a very least hold opposing offenses to closer to 20 points rather than closer to 30 points per game. And that 500 plus yards given up on a regular basis, geez.

I am not really suggesting at this point Spags should be fired, but he seriously needs that squad to turn things around in a big way this year. If improvement is not made I doubt he sees year 2. The Saints window of opportunity is quickly closing on the offense. Saints need to win now while they still have a lethal offense.
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...Spags needs to realize is he doesn't have the dominating front four he had in the past, and needs to adjust accordingly. Good coordinators always adjusts schemes for the personnel they have...I do see some signs that Spags is adjusting somewhat, we shall see...

...not really suggesting at this point Spags should be fired, ...If improvement is not made I doubt he sees year 2. The Saints window of opportunity is quickly closing on the offense....
Agreed. I believe he's a a very solid coordinator, but he's got major personnel issues, or lack thereof; regardless, this last placed defense (statistical ranking) may not tolerate or allow for another season...

Spags buys himself another season if he starts or increases playing time of younger players like Wilson, Hicks; if there's some improvement, he can point to personnel issues and maybe the onus finally gets put on the sorry scouting drafting job done in the upper rounds of the draft the past ten years...
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Old 10-24-2012, 08:06 AM   #20
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Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad?

We have really low end DB's except for Greer

How Patrick Robinson was drafted in the first round confuses me to no end, we messed up with that

Corey white should not be starting

Our DB's aren't that smart, they don't seem to understand zone coverage means you should not follow your man wherever he goes, you lead him to your teammates zone

Our players constantly mix up zone coverage with man coverage, take a look at underwoods TD vs us on Sunday, casillas followed the TE like he was in man coverage and underwood came from the opposite side straight into where casillas was SUPPOSED to be, BUT he had mistakenly followed the TE

two men followed the TE led to underwood being wide open
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