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View Poll Results: What Is/Are the Biggest Problems With the Saints' Defense?
Lack of Talent on Defensive Line 24 39.34%
Lack of Talent at Cornerback 5 8.20%
Lack of Talent at Safety 3 4.92%
Scheme, still need time to learn 16 26.23%
Commitment to 1st Rounders, FA Contracts, Need Young Guns to Play 3 4.92%
Lack of Running Game, Puts Defense on Field to Much 10 16.39%
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Why Is the Defense So Bad?

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Old 10-29-2012, 06:14 AM   #61
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Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad?

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Old 10-29-2012, 07:14 AM   #62
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Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad?

The move by Benson of Loomis into offices for the Hornets was telling...

Some suggested it was a way for Benson to continue to keep Loomis, a loyal employee, on the payroll during the GoodellGate Suspension...

I believe he's Benson's point man on salaries, his bean counter, and Loomis' job is to make sure the team's coaches have the salary cap flexibility to make roster moves as necessary...

I don't believe Loomis is a "football man" when it comes to talent evaluation nor is that where his talent or assignment lies...

Coach Payton has been looking for a Defensive Complement to himself so he doesn't have to be burdened with the defense...

However, changes have to be made as this defense is historically futile; and those changes really start with organization changes that must reflect a thoughtful commitment to said change...

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Old 10-29-2012, 07:47 AM   #63
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Saints Defensive Salaries - (Name, Pos, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)

Sedrick Ellis DT 5,816,000 UFA

Brodrick Bunkley DT 700,000 3,700,000 4,400,000 4,400,000 4,400,000

Akiem Hicks DT 390,000 480,000 570,000 660,000 UFA

Tyrunn Walker DT 390,000 480,000 570,000 RFA

Tom Johnson DT 465,000 555,000 RFA

Will Smith DE 825,000 9,000,000 10,400,000*UFA

Cameron Jordan DE 726,427 1,077,855 1,429,282 UFA

Junior Galette DE 490,000 RFA

Turk McBride DE 800,000 UFA

Martez Wilson E/LB 465,000 555,000 645,000 UFA

Curtis Lofton LB 700,000 1,100,000 1,000,000 2,400,000 5,400,000

Jonathan Vilma LB 1,600,000 4,800,000 UFA

David Hawthorne LB 700,000 1,000,000 1,000,000 2,000,000 4,000,000

Scott Shanle LB 1,050,000 UFA

Will Herring LB 1,300,000 1,500,000 UFA

Jonathan Casillas LB 1,260,000 UFA

Ron Anderson LB 390,000 480,000 570,000 RFA

Jabari Greer CB 2,400,000 3,600,000 4,000,000 4,200,000 UFA

Patrick Robinson CB 540,000 725,000 872,500 UFA

Johnny Patrick CB 465,000 555,000 645,000 UFA

Elbert Mack CB 700,000 UFA

Corey White at DB 390,000 480,000 570,000 660,000 UFA

Nick Hixon CB 390,000 RFA

Malcolm Jenkins DB 1,092,000 2,264,000 UFA

Roman Harper SS 4,500,000 5,250,000 6,000,000 UFA

Isa Abdul-Quddus DB 465,000 555,000 RFA

Rafael Bush DB 465,000 RFA
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Old 10-29-2012, 08:39 AM   #64
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Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad?

Why are they so bad? Man, where do you start?
From the list, I'd have to say lack of talent. It just seems we have 11 mediocre players, no real "positive" stand-out at any position.
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Old 10-29-2012, 04:24 PM   #65
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[QUOTE=jeanpierre;452829]Saints Defensive Salaries - (Name, Pos, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016)

Sedrick Ellis DT kick to the curb

Brodrick Bunkley DT

Akiem Hicks DT

Tyrunn Walker DT

Tom Johnson DT kick to the curb

Will Smith DE kick to the curb

Cameron Jordan DE

Junior Galette DE

Turk McBride DE kick to the curb

Martez Wilson E/LB

Curtis Lofton LB

Jonathan Vilma LB kick to the curb

David Hawthorne LB

Scott Shanle LB kick to the curb

Will Herring LB kick to the curb

Jonathan Casillas LB kick to the curb

Ron Anderson LB WHO?

Jabari Greer CB

Patrick Robinson CB

Johnny Patrick CB

Elbert Mack CB

Corey White DB

Nick Hixon CB

Malcolm Jenkins DB kick to the curb

Roman Harper SS

Isa Abdul-Quddus DB

Rafael Bush DB
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Old 10-29-2012, 04:33 PM   #66
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Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad?

Thats a head scratcher there Mike.... You kept Robinson/White/Patrick?
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Old 10-29-2012, 05:29 PM   #67
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Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad?

What really hurt was when I watched the NFL.com highlights clip this morning and at one point, about a third of the way through the clip, the Denver player, Thomas makes a big gain and the analyst just says, "is the Saints cornerback even trying"!!!!! Man, that just about sums it up!!!!

We are ranked dead last on Defence, its just heartbreaking to watch! If only we could bring back the Dome Patrol!!!!

Drew was trying his best IMO but he must be tempted to start thinking about that fact that as soon as he passes for a score he just knows the opposition are going to score on their next series, almost every time. That must be a bitter pill to swallow!

Lets hope we can get a better performance from the team in the next two home games!!!!!
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Old 10-29-2012, 05:34 PM   #68
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Thats a head scratcher there Mike.... You kept Robinson/White/Patrick?
Not really bro. When a quarterback has all day to throw the ball, I don't care who is in coverage. They would suck just as bad. It all starts up front. We put boot's to a$$'s from the front back. We can't realistically boot everyone that needs to be booted, so lets start with the line and work back.
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:36 PM   #69
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Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad?

The big plays allowed by the safeties are a big part of the problem; that said...

When building/rebuilding a defense, it does start at the line of scrimmage...

Now is Hicks a Starter, Rotation, or Role Player? Let's get him even more pt and find out...

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Old 10-30-2012, 05:40 AM   #70
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I found the title of this article painfully laughable...

Saints defensive brain trust knows it has work to do | Shreveporttimes | shreveporttimes.com

"...according to STATS LLC New Orleans is the first team to give up 400 or more yards in seven consecutive games since 1950."
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