Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season?

skymike · 10-31-2012, 07:36 AM

nobody's worth 100 million bucks.
not in this universe.

Budsdrinker · 10-31-2012, 10:17 AM

I think you are forgetting that we lost at least 3 defensive players in preseason that was looking good. Romeus, Chamberlain and Hawthorne. The only LB we acquired that's healthy is Lofton. Hawthorne might get on the field soon but Chamberlain and Romeus are done until next year. Can't blame Spags for that. We need some young blood at LB and DL and until that happens our D is going to struggle.

Vrillon82 · 10-31-2012, 10:28 AM

What gets to be a little startling in all of this is the fact that Spags took 2nd and 3rd string guys on Defense in St Louis and made them way better than what we are seeing are defense do. St Louis D was tons better under Spags than Saints D under Spags.

70saintsfan · 10-31-2012, 10:51 AM

Really good points. I was surprised Spags didn't bring in any other Rams besides Chamberlain. No Ex giants either.

Shoe. · 10-31-2012, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

It's like he came to New Orleans and bought a house with termites; and he keeps ripping stuff out and finding more problems and more tunnels and nests, and right now he's got to the point where he's just standing there in the driveway looking at it with his hands on his hips, saying Holy Crap.

lol another great analogy Bro

lumm0x · 10-31-2012, 11:08 AM

I was going to argue about it being partly the fault of Brees and his contract but decided to research it a bit first before responding emotionally. While I think Brees contract is not outrageous and after a few years may look to be decent value, he does represent the highest single player percentage of salary cap on any team. He is essentially 21.5% of our cap single handedly and the closest other players I could find were around 18%. Peyton Manning for example represents a greater dollar value this year versus the cap but as a percentage of the roster is less.

While Drew's contract does and will handcuff us in some ways, QB is the single most important position in this sport and if we are going to spend I agree with it being there. It just means we will have to draft more accurately and find value free agents rather than spend on more proven commodities.

lumm0x · 10-31-2012, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by 70saintsfan

Really good points. I was surprised Spags didn't bring in any other Rams besides Chamberlain. No Ex giants either.

The availability of players is the issue there.

BIGEASY504 · 10-31-2012, 01:31 PM

I think when the news broke on Bounty Gate and 22 – 27 players and the coaches was going to get suspended was being tossed around, it basically put the team on hold we didn’t make a move until late-late in the period and by than all the top tier agents were gone. I don’t think it was Brees contract but the process of his contract which cost him valuable time with his receivers and the offense and time with Carmichael but IMO it had nothing to do with Ellis and Will Smith that’s a lot of $$$ that is currently being wasted and this is what Spaggs inherited. I don’t think the system is complex but it is when you don’t have a lean front like the GMEN as you can see we don’t have.

Speedy Ron · 10-31-2012, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Not exactly so... The front office knew what Drew wanted, they knew what they could do with the salary cap by structuring Drew's contract. Its basic business management and financial forecasting. It probably wasn't not dead on accurate down to the 0.01 but they had a damned good idea.

Drews contract had nothing to do with Ellis and Smith.. The front office knew Ellis would cost them 7.3MM in 2012 and Smith would cost them 5.3mm in 2012.. They knew what they had to play with...

As far as Drew getting 100mm.. Which he is worth the bigger problem is Smith was given a 61mm contract and Ellis was given 33mm.

Drews 100mm is by far a better investment than 94mm for Ellis/Smith.

Ellis is such a waste of money

CharityMike · 10-31-2012, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Speedy Ron

Ellis is such a waste of money

Thank god his contract is done after this year. Hope he enjoyed all that cheddar cause he is not going to see another contract like that again!

The real question is, can we find a way to get out of Smiths contract? The only thing I could guess is to get him to restructure again and then cut him a year later. Of course that means he is going to be here another year but I don't know how else we could get out of it.

10-31-2012, 07:36 AM	#11
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season? nobody's worth 100 million bucks. not in this universe. AlaskaSaints likes this.

10-31-2012, 10:17 AM	#12
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season? I think you are forgetting that we lost at least 3 defensive players in preseason that was looking good. Romeus, Chamberlain and Hawthorne. The only LB we acquired that's healthy is Lofton. Hawthorne might get on the field soon but Chamberlain and Romeus are done until next year. Can't blame Spags for that. We need some young blood at LB and DL and until that happens our D is going to struggle. Halo likes this.

10-31-2012, 10:28 AM	#13
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season? What gets to be a little startling in all of this is the fact that Spags took 2nd and 3rd string guys on Defense in St Louis and made them way better than what we are seeing are defense do. St Louis D was tons better under Spags than Saints D under Spags.
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10-31-2012, 10:51 AM	#14
70saintsfan Rookie Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 19	Re: Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season? Really good points. I was surprised Spags didn't bring in any other Rams besides Chamberlain. No Ex giants either.
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10-31-2012, 10:58 AM	#15
Shoe. 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hub City Posts: 576	Re: Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season? Originally Posted by SaintsBro It's like he came to New Orleans and bought a house with termites; and he keeps ripping stuff out and finding more problems and more tunnels and nests, and right now he's got to the point where he's just standing there in the driveway looking at it with his hands on his hips, saying Holy Crap. lol another great analogy Bro

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10-31-2012, 11:08 AM	#16
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season? I was going to argue about it being partly the fault of Brees and his contract but decided to research it a bit first before responding emotionally. While I think Brees contract is not outrageous and after a few years may look to be decent value, he does represent the highest single player percentage of salary cap on any team. He is essentially 21.5% of our cap single handedly and the closest other players I could find were around 18%. Peyton Manning for example represents a greater dollar value this year versus the cap but as a percentage of the roster is less. While Drew's contract does and will handcuff us in some ways, QB is the single most important position in this sport and if we are going to spend I agree with it being there. It just means we will have to draft more accurately and find value free agents rather than spend on more proven commodities.

10-31-2012, 11:09 AM	#17
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season? Originally Posted by 70saintsfan Really good points. I was surprised Spags didn't bring in any other Rams besides Chamberlain. No Ex giants either. The availability of players is the issue there.

10-31-2012, 01:31 PM	#18
BIGEASY504 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 487	Re: Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season? I think when the news broke on Bounty Gate and 22 – 27 players and the coaches was going to get suspended was being tossed around, it basically put the team on hold we didn’t make a move until late-late in the period and by than all the top tier agents were gone. I don’t think it was Brees contract but the process of his contract which cost him valuable time with his receivers and the offense and time with Carmichael but IMO it had nothing to do with Ellis and Will Smith that’s a lot of $$$ that is currently being wasted and this is what Spaggs inherited. I don’t think the system is complex but it is when you don’t have a lean front like the GMEN as you can see we don’t have. SaintsBro likes this.
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10-31-2012, 03:07 PM	#19
Speedy Ron I'm an A hole Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Metry Posts: 1,173	Re: Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season? Originally Posted by x626xBlack Not exactly so... The front office knew what Drew wanted, they knew what they could do with the salary cap by structuring Drew's contract. Its basic business management and financial forecasting. It probably wasn't not dead on accurate down to the 0.01 but they had a damned good idea. Drews contract had nothing to do with Ellis and Smith.. The front office knew Ellis would cost them 7.3MM in 2012 and Smith would cost them 5.3mm in 2012.. They knew what they had to play with... As far as Drew getting 100mm.. Which he is worth the bigger problem is Smith was given a 61mm contract and Ellis was given 33mm. Drews 100mm is by far a better investment than 94mm for Ellis/Smith. Ellis is such a waste of money

10-31-2012, 03:42 PM	#20
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Why didn't Spags see this in Pre-Season? Originally Posted by Speedy Ron Ellis is such a waste of money Thank god his contract is done after this year. Hope he enjoyed all that cheddar cause he is not going to see another contract like that again! The real question is, can we find a way to get out of Smiths contract? The only thing I could guess is to get him to restructure again and then cut him a year later. Of course that means he is going to be here another year but I don't know how else we could get out of it.

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