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I'm not for one second saying we should blow the season to get a good pick,but are are the Saints damaging the next few years by winning games.

Simple question
Is a wild card slot still there or is a top 10 pick being blown to have a few extra wins?

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So what are you saying then? Stop trying to improve and hope we miraculously improve next season?

Draft picks... or in this case 1 earlier first round draft pick will not mend our defense.

Just asking the question
Are we in a position to make the playoffs or is it time to try and put the less experienced players like Hicks into the starting line up to get them used to the system that will be used.
I have only seen bits of the last couple of games due to kick off times and work.

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I say play to the best of your ability, take it one game at a time and see what happens. If we get a wildcard spot so be it. 1st rounder is a first rounder regardless of if its top 10 or not. It all the depends on if the scouts make the right pick. 1 top ten first rounder is not going to fix the defense entirely. FA is the best bet for getting better players quickly.

If they can make a run...I'm all for it.

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I heard that all last year up here in Indy. "Should the Colts give up to get the number one pick?"

As Chris Carter woulds say. "C'mon MAN!!!"

Were Brees in his 20's I might be in favor of playing with picks in mind (refuse to say tanking). But if this league if you have an elite QB over the age of 30 you go all out every year, because you never know how much time they have left.

Play for the wild card and hope this team gets/stays hot at the right time. Tanking is for teams with no chance at the playoffs and that need a total rebuild. Not one of the top offenses in the league with an aging (not old) franchise qb.

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"You play to win the game" nuff said

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Whoever told you there is no such things as stupid questions lied to you.

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Not this ******* crap again.

You play to win every game you play. High draft picks don't guarantee success. Instilling a winning attitude into your organization is what keeps windows open.

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You play your starters until someone proves themselves to be a starter through substitution.

Always have your best on the field

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Hoping for the playoffs, but probably just lowering our draft slot. But we have to play to win.

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Losing on purpose to gain a highly touted pick(s), I can't think of one sound argument to persuade me it's a smart move. Every player is trying to increase their value (or should be) win or lose. This creates opportunities not only for them, but also the team. Increased trade value, increased interest from FA's, increased interests for staff wanting to get to the next level.

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Draft pics are a cr4p shoot... Look at ours.

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OG Blaize Foltz 6th round "Freak List"
DE Margus Hunt 3rd round "Freak List"
LB Jarvis Jones 1st round
TE Joseph Fauria 5th round
QB Landry Jones or WR Quinton Patton 4th round (outside shots WAY OUTSIDE)
C Stephen Warner UD Traded our 7 for Barrett Ruud and released him a short time later.

We have a shortage of players that stand out physically.

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mentally also

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Winning on Monday night football could catapult us back onto a winning streak. If we were to lose the next few games then I could see us experimenting with a 3-4.
We run it a little I would like to see it more than we see it now. Hicks might do fine at NT with a little more experience.
Experience. That is what our back ups need. Film. That is what our coaches need on our back up players. We need to be able to better evaluate our depth at the end of the season.
In other words I'm for working towards draft picks if it is absolutely necessary. We're not there yet.:cool:

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2 years ago 10-6 won the Super Bowl
1 year ago 9-7 won the Super Bowl

So why are we throwing away the season?

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Excellent point Rugby. Can't evaluate players playing for picks and the draft is a poor evaluation of player potential. I'd say it's the worst farming system in sports because every year great players come out of nowhere from small schools.

This. All it takes is for a team to get hit at the right time. Get in and see what happens.

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I don't really see that happening as long as we have Spags as the DC.

I think it depends on what we are looking for and what the draft is loaded with if we are hurting our chances for a good pick or not. Lets say we want a LB and the top 10 is loaded with offensive skill and DL, then it doesn't matter if we pick that early or not. Its so hard to predict that kind of stuff already.

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Drafts picks are not really going to be the answer. May get lucky and get a good one and start building but it is going to take a lot of moves and maybe a couple of years. The thing that bothered me was it seemed the organization was reluctant to go out and get someone after Lofton came on board. And very reluctant to let some of our busts go.

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We signed Bunkley, Grubbs, Hawthorne, Chamberlain and Lofton. That pretty much maxed us out cap wise.

Who didn't we get that you wanted and we could afford.


Which busts did we not let go of?

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Malcolm Jenkins and Patrick Robinson are not exceptional football players.

So what top pick is worth losing games for vs the winning attitude. Look at our current players, other than Drew maybe Graham, who is worth losing for.Only losers plan on losing and we ain't lost yet.

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This type of attitude of throwing away an entire season for higher draft picks is what kept New Orleans in the dumps for years.
I'm glad its gone thanks to the current staff, and hopefully this type of talk goes away.

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I want the Saints to win. The Saints are more than one player away from being even a good defense. Hicks was a third rounder. At times, he looks like the best player on the defense. Smith, Ellis, and Jenkins were first rounders who simply have never played near their draft stratus.

I think either I have not explained the pint I was making well enough.
At no point was I suggesting not trying to win games.It was a genuine question as to what point do you use the rest of the season to see who will and who won't be here next season.
When do you decide that player X may be a step behind player Y but that he is younger,cheaper and has a higher upside over the next few years.So when do you start them to get them ready and gain the experience for next season.

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Early round draft picks haven't exactly worked out for us. Play to win!!

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"Not explained well enough" is quite the understatement.
If you are not deciding on a game by game basis, practice by practice basis who's the better player, then you are doing it wrong.

If you are talking about extended playing time for 2nd and 3rd stringers who only see the field during punts and kickoffs to see what they got in a game that counts, as in, say, sitting Drew and letting Chase start at QB, then you need to wait until you are mathematically eliminated from the playoff race.

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Dude I re-read your original post. You clearly meant throwing games for draft picks bro...

Well I didn't but if it came across that way fair enough.

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Its ok you're in England you guys mess everything up like driving on the wrong side of the road :)

Yes but we do drink proper Beer.
Well those that drink beer do. Personaly speaking its rum or bourbon

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Well Danno could we not have had a chance for A Samuel. More specifically I would have liked to see Harper, Smith, and our DT from USC (He's made so little impact I forget his name Brain Freeze) traded or released and take a shot with someone else. Know its not easy but if they would have done this early we may have had a chance to free up more money. Loomis does really well but I think it was time to let these guys go.

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The cap hit cutting those three alone would have prevented us from signing Brees and Grubbs, and we'd still need another starting DT, DE and SS.

This year it was much cheaper to keep 'em. Next year, not so much. And Harper has probably been our best DB this year, which I guess isn't saying much I know, but Harper has been our least disappointing DB.

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Considering our recent history of first round picks?!?

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that was my first thought
we have been much more successful with FA signings lately, not to mention the Vilma trade. I'd rather let Loomis have the cap space and draft later

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Considering our luck w first rounders I hope we never have another one.

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Even if we by some chance make the playoffs, we won't have a coach to guide us past the first round, I'm would never lose on purpose and with that said a top 10 pick in Paytons hands could go a long, long way!!