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WhoDat!656 11-24-2012 07:51 PM

Gregg Williams is making an apparent power play
When former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams signed a sworn statement on September 14, months after the bounty investigation had ended and days after the first wave of player suspensions had been scuttled, obvious questions arose regarding whether Williams had gotten anything in return for his cooperation.

Now, he’s possibly looking for something in return for his cooperation.

Gregg Williams is making an apparent power play | ProFootballTalk

saintsfan1976 11-24-2012 07:58 PM

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If the NFL actually had proof, they wouldn't need to rely on Williams "testimony". Furthermore, they realize the Cerullo's statements amount to a hill of beans compared to Williams.

RockyMountainSaint 11-24-2012 08:20 PM

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This is such a joke!
Williams is the NFL's "Smoking Gun"?
Whatever the outcome of this Kangaroo Court, the Real Court will skewer these clowns!

kcsaints 11-24-2012 08:50 PM

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May the farce be with you Goodhell and the NFL.

RailBoss 11-25-2012 01:21 AM

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Williams pulled this same crap in Buffalo and Washington his only hope of coaching would be the Raiders if he is re-instated.

saintsfan1976 11-25-2012 07:11 AM

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I'll admit, it's a pretty shrewd move on his part - the sneaky bastard...

halloween 65 11-25-2012 07:14 AM

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I'm so tired of all of this he said, she said crap. Goddell and his clonies have tried to tear a small franchise down. Last season we were the team that everyone feared, a dynasty type of team so to speak, what better way to stop one, punish what has gone on in just about every locker room in the NFL for years. Why not punish the Giants(big market), because Goddell would no longer be the commish. New York admitted to it= no punishment. All in this world is not fair.

Joker 11-25-2012 07:39 AM

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This is about the best I've herd this whole ordeal explained, no one is disagreeing that the Saints violated an NFL policy, but they didn't intend on hurting any opposing players.
If Roger wants to suspend the players on the basis that they broke NFL rules by having a system in place that Pays For Performance, them go ahead and try, but don't use Pay To Injure as part of it.
GW is a douche, he has no power play. No one will ever trust this Man again, nobody likes a rat.

The players admitted to pay for performance, but denied pay to injure. The league does not differentiate between the two. The league takes admission of pay for performance as admittance of pay for injury. To anyone with common sense, these are separate issues. The league would seem a lot more “fair” in this case if they did differentiate between the two.

For example, if a player left the game for a play or two because he had the wind knocked out of him, the Saints players were rewarded. However, if the player was “injured” in the sense that he had a serious injury, the Saints players were not rewarded. Vilma, in particular, was specifically asked by Mary Jo White if he rewards were given for plays on which players were injured, and Vilma very clearly stated that no rewards were given if a player was injured (in the sense that they were seriously hurt) or if a penalty was committed. They were, specifically NOT PAID if the player was serious injured or if a penalty was committed.
Greg Williams comments seem to back that up to, at least in regards to penalties, and he’s differentiated between pfp and pay for injury as well, stating that pay for injury was not his intention, although he now realizes that may have been an unintended consequence of his actions).

While Greg Williams did use extreme terminology like “kill the head” and “cart off”, etc, the players and Greg never thought of knocking a guy out of the game for a play or two as “injuring” the player. The league does. The PfP program specifically did not reward players if the opposing player was hurt in a serious manner (e.g. would miss extended playing time) or if the play resulted in a penalty.

Simply put, to the league pay to performance IS pay to injure in this case. To the players, they are very different things, as I’m sure Vilma and co have tried to explain over and over.q

Rugby Saint II 11-25-2012 12:32 PM

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Godhell jumped to the conclusion that we had a pay to injure program. He couldn't prove it so he blended pay for performance and pay to injure. He blurred the lines between the two intentionally. He knows the difference and once the real facts started to come out he decide to combine the two after the fact. He had no eveidence for pay to injure so he combined the two because most people are too stupid to keep up with the changing story. It's like Days of our Lives all over again. :roll:

TheOak 11-25-2012 01:17 PM


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