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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by FinSaint Well, I do agree with Oak's comparison in its essence. But I would counter that while it's certainly not the expensive motor's fault if your wipers are not working - I bet you're still a lot ...

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Old 11-28-2012, 08:05 AM   #61
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Re: Jump on the Brees' fault bandwagon

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Well, I do agree with Oak's comparison in its essence.

But I would counter that while it's certainly not the expensive motor's fault if your wipers are not working - I bet you're still a lot more critical of how the expensive motor performs at its duty and much more disappointed when it doesn't perform up to its expectations compared to how critical/disappointed you are at the inexpensive wipers when they don't meet your expectations?!

Also, the Vikes won against the 49ers, and while it was at home it proves that you can't really draw direct comparisons between previous match ups and their results because as has been stated here numerous times before: every team matches differently against each other.
Correct.

As far as the motor on my CTS-V or my SS before that, or any of my TA's.. There are elements that effect the motors efficiency and performance. I know these things and expect them. That motor will not put out 558 every day, 24 hours a day, regardless of conditions. I also know there are some gives and takes with that motor, as with any motor /QB.

Cold dry weather will take HP over 558 as it is dense and contains more O2.
A hot humid day will reduce performance.
While MPG is the last thing you think of when you own that car you should still be aware that mileage is worse in the winter. More cold dense air = MAF signals computer to use more fuel.

Also, while on a perfect track and day it will hot 60 in 3.6s, bad tires, breaking traction all effect over all performance.

Some peoples expectations are outright absurd. Drew is expected to lead men with perfection.

The facts are the facts
Patton lost fkn soldiers.
Six Sigma still has a potential error rate of 3.4 defects per million.
The best neurosurgeon has lost a patient on the table.
Drew Brees has thrown interceptions. He will throw another one.... and another one; acknowledging it is one thing, dwelling and hating on the man because of it is a bit fkn elitist. Being invidious in every single conversation because he makes more $ than anyone on these forums is pure envy. Don't begrudge a man for what he makes, if someone is to be lambasted it should be the guy that pays him.

Drew Brees is our best hope for another Super Bowl.... another win this season.

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Old 11-28-2012, 08:06 AM   #62
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Funny enough, I never said it was all Brees' fault that the Saints lost that game, but that he was probably the single biggest reason why it happened.

On the Brooks pick 6 play, Brees had a good pocket and no pass rusher in his face when he threw that ball, so it's really hard for me to blame any other player as much as Brees for that play and its outcome.

The pass pressure increased as the game went on, and that was directly correlated with the fact that the Saints once again pretty abandoned the run in the 2nd half as they were playing catch up for pretty much the whole 2nd half. The 49ers knew that the Saints were going to pass, and, therefore, they could dial up more pass pressure packages because of that. If the Saints would've gone into the halftime with a TD lead, things could've been very different in that aspect as well, because even if the 49ers would've scored on their first drive of the 3rd quarter, the game would've only been tied at that point and the Saints could've put up a drive themselves for the lead.

Now I know that's a lot of would've-could've-should'ves, but Brees made that costly mistake to end the 2nd quarter when he was not forced to do it by pass rushers and while he had clear vision of Brooks dropping back from the line of scrimmage to be in position to intercept any incoming passes. Maybe it was Brees' hubris of being able to make that difficult pass to where there were four 49er players and only one Saints or maybe there's another explanation, but that was an unnecessary and costly mistake he made, which changed the complexion of that game by a great deal.
See title of thread and OP. In your previous replies while you have not said it was ALL his fault, you have not referenced any other factors. I apologize if I drew the wrong conclusion.

On Hubris - That is an NFL QB, while Brees made a costly error in judgement he is no different from P. Manning ending the hopes of SB 44 by throwing a pick 6. By nature of the beast taking chances and fitting balls into tight spaces (thats what she said) is what differentiates a good QB from a great QB. The greater % of their passes in the NFL are into tight spots... its a gamble.. a crap shoot.. You walk away either brilliant or an idiot...

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Same number of possessions as last year, 5 minutes per game less possession time. BY DEFINITION, not a defensive problem. 4 healthy RBs. Until Sunday, entire O-Line healthy. And, neither pick6 was due to pressure.
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I must be missing the week 11 2011 season cumulative stats that you would have needed for the comparison.
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As far as the motor on my CTS-V or my SS before that, or any of my TA's..


Wow who still drives a TA? Are you from Abbeville or something?

I've had 1 Camaro 4 TA's in my lifetime... From the berry
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Wow who still drives a TA? Are you from Abbeville or something?

I've had 1 Camaro 4 TA's in my lifetime... From the berry
As a matter a fact I am from Abbeville .. 2 WS-6 TAs, a Z-28 and a Camaro SS 11'.
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As a matter a fact I am from Abbeville .. 2 WS-6 TAs, a Z-28 and a Camaro SS 11'.
From New Iberia...
I worked for Baldwin redi mix for a few years before I joined the Coast Guard and moved away...
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... the thought that flashed in Brees' brain when he threw the 1st pick 6
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From New Iberia...
I worked for Baldwin redi mix for a few years before I joined the Coast Guard and moved away...
If you are from The Berry I am sure we know a lot of the same people.
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