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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I have felt this way for a long time, and after last night's game I finally had to vent. Why do we not feature this guy? I am not a NFL personnel guru and don't have access to practice footage, ...

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Old 11-30-2012, 10:53 AM   #1
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Pierre Thomas

I have felt this way for a long time, and after last night's game I finally had to vent.
Why do we not feature this guy? I am not a NFL personnel guru and don't have access to practice footage, but he is clearly are most versatile and productive running back on the team.
He is a quality runner, can catch passes, is a beast to tackle and what really sets him apart is he can block in passing situations.
Yet, we have three other guys who constantly steal carries and catches. Darren Sproles is high quality player, but not a traditional "every down" back. Which means he is limited when it comes to play calling and the defense only has to prepare for a limited package.
Mark Ingram was overrated coming out of college and has provided nothing to this team.
Chris Ivory is a fun runner to watch, but he is not a starting caliber running back.
Yet in one of the biggest games of the year (SF), Pierre Thomas gives up touches to this group. In fact, PT gave up touches to everyone as he saw the ball once. ONCE.
How is that possible? A running back that has averages 4.8 ypc for his career. A running back that is one of the hardest players in the league to bring down.
If the argument is "Carmichael was saving him for ATL," then Carmichael needs to find a new job. There is no reason not to feature this guy in every single game.
Ray Rice carried the ball 20 times the Sunday before Baltimore played on Thursday night.
Adrian Peterson 23 times before his Thursday night appearance.

If Pierre isn't good enough then de-activate him and move on to the next guy. But he is that good.
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Old 11-30-2012, 10:56 AM   #2
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If you feature Pierre Thomas and void out the other running backs and Drew doesn't gte big games...
Plain and simple and I hear you. I'd love to see Pierre Thomas get 20 touches a game
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Old 11-30-2012, 11:05 AM   #3
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If he's our "feature" back, in this offense, then defenses key on him and Drew alone. We turn back into the 2 dimensional beast that was our running game when we started running Ingram up the middle to hit the backs of o-linemen first 4 games of the season to "keep 'em honest."

As for those other guys, if we did feature PT and he got injured we'd be right back where we were when we lost to Seattle in the playoffs when we were scouting Craigslist for running backs.

Now last week was the exception. For a guy like PT who is our BEST all-around running back, we ran him ONCE (1) last week. This is where Carmichael fails.

Last night we fell behind with PT making 8 yard runs... then we suddenly stopped running because we would run out of clock. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing.
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Old 11-30-2012, 11:07 AM   #4
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Pierre is the man - he should be getting more carries.
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Old 11-30-2012, 11:09 AM   #5
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We fell behind because Drew threw an interception in the end zone and Pierre touched the ball only one more time in the first quarter.
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Old 11-30-2012, 11:13 AM   #6
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Pierre is THE MAN, he can pick up the whole team and carry them down the field on his shoulders, and I do not understand why the coaches do not seem to "get" it.

Actually I think Sean Payton "gets it" -- he knows, you can tell he loves Pierre, how he talks about him. Especially in the playoffs, you can see it in the game plan, Pierre always really shines, and is the go-to clutch guy.

But after watching this year and the end of last year very closely, I am beginning to feel like Pete Carmichael is kind of on a different planet from the rest of us. I don't think he "gets it" -- or if he does "get it," whatever he is getting is a little off kilter or the wavelengths are not penetrating to his brain. He's a tinkerer, like McMahon on special teams. And he's pass happy, like the younger less mature Sean Payton was. And I sometimes feel like I don't think Pete Carmichael really "gets it," that he knows WHO Pierre Thomas is. He's the closer. He takes games over. And for some reason Pete Carmichael doesn't seem to see it this way. They just don't seem to be USING him.
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:43 PM   #7
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I have been stating this for 3+ years, PT is the most underrated back in the league. Guy is a natural. Shifty, powerful, speedy, great hands, down hill runner.

Just an overall badass.

Give this man the rock more, love watching him play.
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Christ all mighty.. I love PT as much as any of you but he had bad games too...

Some of you need to carry ladders around with ya... Makes it easier to hoist a different player up to the alter each week.....

Either sacrificially or in homage
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:04 PM   #9
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I totally agree. Pierre is the guy we need to start next year. Trade Ingram and keep Ivory.
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:07 PM   #10
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I would have to say sproles has the most big-play potential of the group, but the problem is that we're missing big daddy payton. All the running backs are contributing in some way right now, we just need SP to work his magic.
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