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SaintsRule11 12-05-2012 07:19 PM

A scenario where we could still make the playoffs. (edited with corrections)
 
I haven't given up hope quite yet, although the outlook does look bleak. A number of things would have to fall our way in order for us to make the playoffs.

We have only a 2% chance of making the playoffs according to coolstandings.com.

In order for us to make the playoffs, here are the things that would have to happen.

First, we would pretty much have to win out. There are a lot of good teams in the NFC right now, and I don't believe an 8-8 or 7-9 team is going to make the playoffs. It's just not going to happen. Our remaining schedule is as follows:

Week 14: at NYG
Week 15: Buccaneers
Week 16: at DAL
Week 17: Panthers

These are all winnable games, but we really have to win that first one against the Giants. Obviously if we don't, stick a fork in us.

If we were to win out, that would knock both NYG and DAL down a peg, which would help our cause. Also, we would be 4-2 in our division. Seattle, for instance, is already 0-3 in their division.

Secondly, a number of other teams would have to kind of suck, beginning with Seattle.

The first of Seattle's remaining games comes at home against the rudderless Cardinals. Easy win for Seattle. Then, the Seahawks face the Bills in Buffalo (or Toronto?). The Bills have been fairly strong at home and they seem to be improving so this is not a cakewalk. Plus, karma (they should have lost to the Packers) dictates that the Seahawks lose at least one remaining game to an inferior team. Then the Seahawks host the 49ers, then the somewhat resurgent Rams. I believe it's entirely possible that the Seahawks go 2-2 over their last four games. If we win out, and it's us versus the Seahawks with a 9-7 record (they are currently 7-5), here would be the tiebreaking scenario:

(*this portion has been edited with corrections)

First, the league would look at who had the better conference record. If we won out, we would have a conference record of 7-5. If the Seahawks were to go 9-7 and lose to at least one conference opponent along the way (for instance, to the 49ers), their conference record would also be 7-5. Now if the Seahawks were to go 9-7 and lose to two conference opponents along the way, such as the Rams and 49ers, then their conference record would be 6-6 and we would win this tiebreaker. Personally, I'm praying for a Ryan Lindley miracle in Seattle this weekend.

But if it comes to pass that our conference records were tied, the league would look at who had the better record against common opponents - minimum of four. The Saints and Seahawks share the following opponents: Packers, Panthers, 49ers, Cowboys. The Seahawks beat the Panthers, Packers, and Cowboys, and lost to the 49ers. We lost to the Panthers, Packers, and 49ers and have yet to play the Cowboys. We would lose this tiebreaker if both the Saints and the Seahawks end up at 9-7.

We really need the Seahawks to struggle mightily over their remaining four games.

Now, the Giants (7-5) would also need to struggle, and I believe that they will. Assuming we beat the Giants, next up for the G-men is an absolutely brutal portion of the schedule - they have to travel to Atlanta, then Baltimore. (Go Falcons! Go Ravens!). Then they host the dithering Eagles at home. If the Cowboys manage to win the division and the Saints and Giants are tied at 9-7, provided of course that we already defeated them during week 14, then we win the tiebreaker. The importance of this week's game against the Giants cannot be overemphasized.

The Cowboys (6-6) remaining schedule is likewise difficult. They travel to Cincinnati this weekend (Go Bengals!), then they host the Steelers (Go Steelers!), then they host the Saints (Go Saints!), then they travel to Washington. Assuming the Cowboys only win one of the three games prior to facing the Redskins, they will only be 7-8 and we will likely need to root for the Cowboys in order to knock the Redskins out of playoff contention.

The Redskins, who are 6-6, have a schedule that is easier than either the Giants' or the Cowboys'. They host the Ravens this weekend (Go Ravens!), then they travel to Cleveland (sigh), then they travel to Philadelphia (sigh), then they host the Cowboys. The most likely losses would probably be to the Ravens and the Cowboys, but then again, Nick Foles is starting to look good for the Philadelphia Eagles. We really really really would need the Redskins to go no better than 2-2 with their remaining games. If they go 3-1, they end up at 9-7 and would automatically beat us in a tiebreaker because they defeated us during the regular season.

Note that I'm pretty much assuming that both the Packers and the Bears will make the playoffs. Both teams have a pretty easy schedule for the rest of the season and ironically the only tough contest on either team's remaining schedule is against each other.

I'm also assuming that neither the Vikings nor the Rams will make a serious charge at the post-season, but stranger things have happened. I suppose I shouldn't count out the Buccaneers either, but I don't see them beating either the Saints or the Falcons in away games.

So the Falcons are in. In my mind, both the Packers and Bears are in. I believe the 49ers are in as well. And at least one of Giants/Cowboys/Redskins are in. If we win out, we stand a decent chance of making the playoffs. We need our defense to continue to improve. And we need Drew Brees to please stop throwing soul-crushing interceptions.

SaintsRule11 12-05-2012 07:26 PM

Re: A scenario where we could still make the playoffs.
 
Thoughts?

saintsfan1976 12-05-2012 07:33 PM

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Win out. Thats all I can think about.

Assuming we can. lol

73Saint 12-05-2012 07:36 PM

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no

SaintsRule11 12-05-2012 07:37 PM

Re: A scenario where we could still make the playoffs.
 
I sure hope we can. :)

|Mitch| 12-05-2012 07:51 PM

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Not sure; a lot has to be accomplished and we have to rely on other teams...

WhoDat!656 12-05-2012 08:01 PM

Re: A scenario where we could still make the playoffs.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintsRule11 (Post 462995)
Thoughts?

I would feel better about our chances on making the playoffs if it didn't involve other teams losing multiple games.

Beastmode 12-05-2012 08:53 PM

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I'm surpised we won 5 games. That is a feat in itself considering the cirmcumstances. If we finish 8-8...no shame here. Make the playoffs and we become a totally different team. I would not want to play the Saints in the playoffs if that goes down.

QBREES9 12-05-2012 09:02 PM

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well i just hope we win out. and get a little help.

saintfan 12-05-2012 09:50 PM

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We are going to make the playoffs, in my opinion, until we aren't.

The original Sunshiner has spoken.

NOS2SB 12-06-2012 01:34 AM

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We can't win out if we play the same as the past three weeks.

SaintsRule11 12-06-2012 03:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NOS2SB (Post 463055)
We can't win out if we play the same as the past three weeks.

That is true, although I really feel like our defense played well against the Falcons. I mean, there's only so much your defense can do if your offense keeps turning the ball over. We have been increasingly able to hold opposing teams to field goals as of late. I like this trend, but Brees absolutely has to show up for the next four games.

skymike 12-06-2012 05:45 AM

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http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/b...9408286524.jpgDo I need to bring out Aunt Ruth again? ]

TheOak 12-06-2012 06:32 AM

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How many playoff scenario threads do we need?

SloMotion 12-06-2012 07:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 463088)
How many playoff scenario threads do we need?

Oh man, just wait until I'm out of them before you merge 'em, :lol:.

Hope springs eternal, but when you have to rely on what other team's are doing, it's a crapshoot.

... and 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... merge ...

skymike 12-06-2012 07:29 AM

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the more threads the merrier.

Budsdrinker 12-06-2012 08:49 AM

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Right now, I think our best shot is a total Bears collapse which is possible providing we win this Sunday.

cmsaint 12-06-2012 09:25 AM

Re: A scenario where we could still make the playoffs.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintsRule11 (Post 462990)
I haven't given up hope quite yet, although the outlook does look bleak. A number of things would have to fall our way in order for us to make the playoffs.

We have only a 2% chance of making the playoffs according to coolstandings.com.

In order for us to make the playoffs, here are the things that would have to happen.

First, we would pretty much have to win out. There are a lot of good teams in the NFC right now, and I don't believe an 8-8 or 7-9 team is going to make the playoffs. It's just not going to happen. Our remaining schedule is as follows:

Week 14: at NYG
Week 15: Buccaneers
Week 16: at DAL
Week 17: Panthers

These are all winnable games, but we really have to win that first one against the Giants. Obviously if we don't, stick a fork in us.

If we were to win out, that would knock both NYG and DAL down a peg, which would help our cause. Also, we would be 4-2 in our division. Seattle, for instance, is already 0-3 in their division.

Secondly, a number of other teams would have to kind of suck, beginning with Seattle.

The first of Seattle's remaining games comes at home against the rudderless Cardinals. Easy win for Seattle. Then, the Seahawks face the Bills in Buffalo (or Toronto?). The Bills have been fairly strong at home and they seem to be improving so this is not a cakewalk. Plus, karma (they should have lost to the Packers) dictates that the Seahawks lose at least one remaining game to an inferior team. Then the Seahawks host the 49ers, then the somewhat resurgent Rams. I believe it's entirely possible that the Seahawks go 2-2 over their last four games. If we win out, and it's us versus the Seahawks with a 9-7 record (they are currently 7-5), we win the tiebreaker due to our better divisional record.

Now, the Giants (7-5) would also need to struggle, and I believe that they will. Assuming we beat the Giants, next up for the G-men is an absolutely brutal portion of the schedule - they have to travel to Atlanta, then Baltimore. (Go Falcons! Go Ravens!). Then they host the dithering Eagles at home. If the Cowboys manage to win the division and the Saints and Giants are tied at 9-7, provided of course that we already defeated them during week 14, then we win the tiebreaker. The importance of this week's game against the Giants cannot be overemphasized.

The Cowboys (6-6) remaining schedule is likewise difficult. They travel to Cincinnati this weekend (Go Bengals!), then they host the Steelers (Go Steelers!), then they host the Saints (Go Saints!), then they travel to Washington. Assuming the Cowboys only win one of the three games prior to facing the Redskins, they will only be 7-8 and we will likely need to root for the Cowboys in order to knock the Redskins out of playoff contention.

The Redskins, who are 6-6, have a schedule that is easier than either the Giants' or the Cowboys'. They host the Ravens this weekend (Go Ravens!), then they travel to Cleveland (sigh), then they travel to Philadelphia (sigh), then they host the Cowboys. The most likely losses would probably be to the Ravens and the Cowboys, but then again, Nick Foles is starting to look good for the Philadelphia Eagles. We really really really would need the Redskins to go no better than 2-2 with their remaining games. If they go 3-1, they end up at 9-7 and would automatically beat us in a tiebreaker because they defeated us during the regular season.

Note that I'm pretty much assuming that both the Packers and the Bears will make the playoffs. Both teams have a pretty easy schedule for the rest of the season and ironically the only tough contest on either team's remaining schedule is against each other.

I'm also assuming that neither the Vikings nor the Rams will make a serious charge at the post-season, but stranger things have happened. I suppose I shouldn't count out the Buccaneers either, but I don't see them beating either the Saints or the Falcons in away games.

So the Falcons are in. In my mind, both the Packers and Bears are in. I believe the 49ers are in as well. And at least one of Giants/Cowboys/Redskins are in. If we win out, we stand a decent chance of making the playoffs. We need our defense to continue to improve. And we need Drew Brees to please stop throwing soul-crushing interceptions.


Correction, we would not win tie breaker with Seattle based on better divisional record. Against a non-division opponent it comes down to Conference record, which means Seattle must lose 2 more conference games for us to win a tie breaker....

TheOak 12-06-2012 09:29 AM

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Division record plays no part in a non divisional tie.

Wild Card Tie Breaking
Head-to-head, if applicable.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in conference games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.

Utah_Saint 12-06-2012 10:08 AM

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I'm not thinking about the playoffs. Way too many things to pull for all at the same time.

I'm hoping for a winning season. To me, after what's happened to this team over the last year, would be a pretty great accomplishment.

SaintsRule11 12-06-2012 10:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 463131)
Division record plays no part in a non divisional tie.

Wild Card Tie Breaking
Head-to-head, if applicable.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in conference games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.

Darn. I misread the playoff tiebreaking procedures. This means the Seahawks would have to lose two of three to the Cardinals/Rams/49ers. Sigh.

TheOak 12-06-2012 10:28 AM

Top of forums, sticky.

Rugby Saint II 12-06-2012 11:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 73Saint (Post 462999)
no

I think this says it all.:annoyed:

NOS2SB 12-06-2012 11:56 AM

Re: A scenario where we could still make the playoffs.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 463088)
How many playoff scenario threads do we need?

243

TheOak 12-06-2012 11:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NOS2SB (Post 463150)
243

Not a prime number but sounds good to me.

NOS2SB 12-06-2012 11:58 AM

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Ha. Just messing around.

TheOak 12-06-2012 12:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NOS2SB (Post 463153)
Ha. Just messing around.

You mean I looked up prime numbers for nothing?


Find a reason man! Dont make me work for naught.
Bollocks!

Mardigras9 12-06-2012 01:19 PM

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I'd take just getting to .500 for starters.

SAINTstunna 12-06-2012 02:09 PM

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one win at a time.. the rest don't even matter right about now.... LETS GO N.O.!!!

AlaskaSaints 12-07-2012 01:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 463004)
I would not want to play the Saints in the playoffs if that goes down.

Unless you play the Saints OUTDOORS, or AWAY from the Dome. Or anywhere on the WEST coast or at Lambeau Field.

LOL :smile:

I'd enjoy a win-out, but the odds are stacked for sure.

Alaska

AllSaints 12-07-2012 01:20 PM

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Win out and see what happens... but 9-7 with no head coach this year ya can't complain....

xan 12-07-2012 01:50 PM

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Here's a vote for low expectations. How about only 4 interceptions this week?

SaintsBro 12-07-2012 02:08 PM

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I'll be happy if the defense gives up under 450 yards!

It would be nice to at least make the Giants work a little harder for their pick 6's. Not throw it to them from our own 20. That would be a step in the right direction.

WillSaints81 12-07-2012 04:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintsRule11 (Post 463137)
Darn. I misread the playoff tiebreaking procedures. This means the Seahawks would have to lose two of three to the Cardinals/Rams/49ers. Sigh.



Does Seattle's CB suspensions mean they have problems against the run? The cards do have Wells back. Idk why Kolb isnt back starting because of two bad games. He could have beat the vikings, falcons, packers, and even maybe the jets.And he could definitely have an easy time against Seattle. Cards need a headcoach that doesnt have too high expectations that Wisenhut has.

WillSaints81 12-07-2012 04:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 463399)
I'll be happy if the defense gives up under 450 yards!

It would be nice to at least make the Giants work a little harder for their pick 6's. Not throw it to them from our own 20. That would be a step in the right direction.



Is the giants defense that good for that to happen? Their defense all season long has been suspect and usually they do great against one dimesnsional offenses or struggling qbs.

SloMotion 12-08-2012 06:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AllSaints (Post 463390)
Win out and see what happens... but 9-7 with no head coach this year ya can't complain....

That's where I'm at ... without a H/C and after all the turmoil, the Saints have managed to compile a better W/L then 30% of the league and would be in last place in NONE of the divisions ... hell, they'd be in second place in the AFC East (tied) & West! I look at teams like the Cardinals, Panthers, Lions, Eagles, Raiders, Chiefs, Chargers, Titans, Chiefs, Jaguars & wonder WTF is wrong with them that they can't even compile a better W/L record than a team without a H/C.

It ain't over 'til it's over, I'm gonna' sit back & enjoy the ride ... :mrgreen:.

arsaint 12-08-2012 08:36 AM

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If we make it, I think it happens like this:

2012 NFL Playoff Machine - Simulate Matchups and Scenarios - ESPN


We need the following to happen somehow...

1) Rams - Lose any 1 game - @ BUF, MIN, @TB, @SEA

2) Vikings - Lose any 1 game - CHI, @STL, @HOU, GB

3) Bucs - Lose to Saints ONLY - PHI, @NO, STL, ATL

4) Cowboys - Lose to Saints and NY Giants win NFC East or Lose to Saints + one other game - @ CIN, PIT, @NO, @WAS

5) Redskins - ANY TWO losses - BAL, @CLE, @PHI, DAL

6A) Seahawks - 3 losses or 2 NFC losses - ARI, @BUF, SF, STL

OR

6B) Bears - Lose 3 games - @MIN, GB, @ARI, @DET

mighty12 12-08-2012 09:27 AM

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Going by the mantra of one week at a time, the big games this week will be NOvsNYG of course, SEAvsARI really need the Cards to step up and win this one, CHIvsMIN will be pulling for the Vikes!, WASvsBAL go RAVENS!!! I just trew up a little, CINvsDAL win one for the Ginger! This is going to be a fun filled football weekend. Also, Go ARMY beat NAVY!

SloMotion 12-08-2012 11:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mighty12 (Post 463499)
Go ARMY beat NAVY!


LivnaLieTimay 12-08-2012 11:47 AM

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I think we absolutely can win out but I still don't think that will be enough to make the playoffs. With the tiebreakers, Seattle is going to be very difficult to catch with 3 of their final 4 games at home and a soft schedule. I actually think we have a better chance that Chicago loses 3 games. Either way it starts this week with the Giants. Living in NY this is a game I circled on my calender, would love to have bragging rights with my friends.


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