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Saints Nation: Evaluating Pete Carmichael Jr. as a Play Caller

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; He became the voice in Drew's helmet headset last year, instead of Payton. He did call the plays while Payton was out (especially the Rams game, which now that I think about it, looked a lot like this year) but ...

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Old 12-07-2012, 07:52 AM   #11
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Re: Saints Nation: Evaluating Pete Carmichael Jr. as a Play Caller

He became the voice in Drew's helmet headset last year, instead of Payton. He did call the plays while Payton was out (especially the Rams game, which now that I think about it, looked a lot like this year) but honestly, I can't remember now if Payton took the reigns back over fully on playcalling, when he came back.

Anyone know for sure?
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Re: Saints Nation: Evaluating Pete Carmichael Jr. as a Play Caller

Originally Posted by dizzle88 View Post
Compare Carmichael to Payton

On 3rd and 2, Payton would call a deep pass, because its the last thing the safeties expect

On 3rd and 2, Carmichael calls a run, up the gut, stopped and now it's 4th down

You can see what I'm getting at, with the lead Carmichael gets conservative

With the lead, Sean Payton goes right for the defenses throat and doesn't let up
This is funny because I dont recall him calling a run on 3rd&2 he usually calls some hitch or a slant and its dropped
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Re: Saints Nation: Evaluating Pete Carmichael Jr. as a Play Caller

He's not ready for Boston college yet.
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Re: Saints Nation: Evaluating Pete Carmichael Jr. as a Play Caller

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold View Post
This is funny because I dont recall him calling a run on 3rd&2 he usually calls some hitch or a slant and its dropped
Go back and watch the San Fran game and late in the game vs raiders, you'll see it
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:07 PM   #15
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Re: Saints Nation: Evaluating Pete Carmichael Jr. as a Play Caller

maybe he can tell the players that the second half is not a myth, that they actually have to show up for it.
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Re: Saints Nation: Evaluating Pete Carmichael Jr. as a Play Caller

Carmichael is only good for washing Drew's jockstrap when Payton is the HC. Carmichael had to call plays this year, and the more footage teams have on what plays he calls the worse he is getting. I was hoping Boston College would take him from us... o well.
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Re: Saints Nation: Evaluating Pete Carmichael Jr. as a Play Caller

Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
Where do you get your information?

When I was mainly only at ESPN posting. It was on the saints forum. I found out from one of the saints posters shortly after the suspensions were announced in the summer that Carmichael was doing the offensive playcalling the remaining games of the season after Payton was hurt and he/she and a couple others used this to think our offense would be fine without Payton. If I had known this wasnt the case, I would have definitely lowered my expectations going into the season. I did potentially see an 0-3 start coming but not 0-4 and didnt think it could really happen. I thought a 2-2 start was at least likely.
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Old 12-07-2012, 05:28 PM   #18
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Bottom line question is this: is Pete Carmichael so stupid that he doesn't even see these trends? I swear, he looks like a friggin deer in headlights on the sidelines.
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Old 12-08-2012, 10:58 PM   #19
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Re: Saints Nation: Evaluating Pete Carmichael Jr. as a Play Caller

"Mark Ingram leads the team in carries despite a 3.6 yards per carry average. Pierre Thomas averages 4.8, Chris Ivory averages 5.4 and Darren Sproles averages 4.5. That's right, they all average more than a FULL YARD more per carry than Ingram except Sporles (who averages 0.9 yards more per), yet Ingram is the primary runner."

Yet this coaching staff keeps playing Ingram over Ivory and PT, go figure. I think they're playing for draft position now that their hardheadedness has killed our season.
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