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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Xavier Rhodes, CB/SS Florida State the more i watch this kid the more i see him a modern day CB/SS tweener. I am not sold he is the second best CB in the draft. I will say this he might ...

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Old 04-24-2013, 08:19 AM   #931
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Xavier Rhodes, CB/SS Florida State
the more i watch this kid the more i see him a modern day CB/SS tweener. I am not sold he is the second best CB in the draft. I will say this he might be the best tackler in the secondary this year. Now as a SS he is scary.

Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington
is a better option for a true CB but at 15? i am not sold he is even that good. Not sure he has those kind of skills - yet

Johnthan Banks, CB/FS, Mississippi State
like Rhodes i see him as tweener but with much better hands and CB skills. he is better than second rounder

David Amerson*, CB, N.C. State
here is the total physical package at cb but i have not seen a good reason for the mental melt down he suffered last year.

IMO it is a reach at 15 for any of the CB's unless you are toying with idea the player can transition.

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papz i am waiting on you picks!!!!!
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Originally Posted by hagan714 View Post
Xavier Rhodes, CB/SS Florida State
the more i watch this kid the more i see him a modern day CB/SS tweener. I am not sold he is the second best CB in the draft. I will say this he might be the best tackler in the secondary this year. Now as a SS he is scary.

Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington
is a better option for a true CB but at 15? i am not sold he is even that good. Not sure he has those kind of skills - yet

Johnthan Banks, CB/FS, Mississippi State
like Rhodes i see him as tweener but with much better hands and CB skills. he is better than second rounder

David Amerson*, CB, N.C. State
here is the total physical package at cb but i have not seen a good reason for the mental melt down he suffered last year.

IMO it is a reach at 15 for any of the CB's unless you are toying with idea the player can transition.
i would rather hayden than trufant
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Old 04-24-2013, 09:32 AM   #935
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i would rather hayden than trufant
opps forgot him. sorry

yeah i have those two neck and neck. the issue in my book was hayden was attacked more as a senior and he held up extremely well. i was wondering why teams kept doing it myself

teams stayed away from trufant a bit more.

sell me on hayden

either way bottom the first is were i see them on my big board. surely is not at 15 for both of them

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papz i am waiting on you picks!!!!!
I'm no where nearly as educated as you guys are with these mid round guys to even gauge where they're likely to be going. However, I'll be consistent throughout this draft process and say I would like to have one of the top 3 DE/OLB hybrids in the draft. That said, I don't feel we'll likely have a chance at any of them as I feel they'll all be gone by then(Mingo/Jordan/Ansah).

With our first pick, I'd have no issues if we took Damontre Moore, Jarvis Jones, or Kenny Vacarro. Tank Carradine is also an intriguing name that been rising big time in the past few weeks. As far as mid round prospects, I've mentioned J.J. Wilcox, Da'Rick Rodgers, Chris Faulk as guys I would like to look at. Sean Renfree or Ryan Griffin are two late round guys I wouldn't mind us drafting and developing. There's got to be a familiarity with Griffin being a local product and playing for Curtis Johnson(last year we took Tiller who played for Marrone late). Cutcliffe has a strong history with quarterbacks and that make Renfree interesting for me. Call it homerism or just due to the fact they're solid mid round prospects, but the LSU crop of prospects carry some solid upside.

I honestly don't have a deep list or anything... I found over the years that while being fun to do, nailing the picks are as likely has hitting the powerball. Expect while paying a couple bucks for a quick pick ticket, trying to get a good feel for the draft takes up a ton of time. Plus I stopped gambling for a few years already so my knowledge and care for college football(on a broad level) has dwindled more and more as time goes by.

I much rather just read the draft analysis and scouting reports after we take them these days.
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I'm no where nearly as educated as you guys are with these mid round guys to even gauge where they're likely to be going. However, I'll be consistent throughout this draft process and say I would like to have one of the top 3 DE/OLB hybrids in the draft. That said, I don't feel we'll likely have a chance at any of them as I feel they'll all be gone by then(Mingo/Jordan/Ansah).

With our first pick, I'd have no issues if we took Damontre Moore, Jarvis Jones, or Kenny Vacarro. Tank Carradine is also an intriguing name that been rising big time in the past few weeks. As far as mid round prospects, I've mentioned J.J. Wilcox, Da'Rick Rodgers, Chris Faulk as guys I would like to look at. Sean Renfree or Ryan Griffin are two late round guys I wouldn't mind us drafting and developing. There's got to be a familiarity with Griffin being a local product and playing for Curtis Johnson(last year we took Tiller who played for Marrone late). Cutcliffe has a strong history with quarterbacks and that make Renfree interesting for me. Call it homerism or just due to the fact they're solid mid round prospects, but the LSU crop of prospects carry some solid upside.

I honestly don't have a deep list or anything... I found over the years that while being fun to do, nailing the picks are as likely has hitting the powerball. Expect while paying a couple bucks for a quick pick ticket, trying to get a good feel for the draft takes up a ton of time. Plus I stopped gambling for a few years already so my knowledge and care for college football(on a broad level) has dwindled more and more as time goes by.

I much rather just read the draft analysis and scouting reports after we take them these days.
Same here. Its odd, almost all the players have similar strengths and weaknesses. Its like reading a horoscope or a fortune cookie. You can just about pull the so called experts analysis' out of a hat for most of these prospects. They all have very minor differences.

I'd still love to see how Loomis organizes his board, what system does he use, how much influence Payton and Ryan have, are the scouts in the war room too, etc...

I'd also like to know how close the media scouts are in their anaysis to the real NFL scouts.
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Scout talk

"What has become clear to NFL scouts as the draft draws nearer is this class of prospects is going to separate talent evaluators."
I had read this - glad someone post the link...

And that opening line is very telling...
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Same here. Its odd, almost all the players have similar strengths and weaknesses. Its like reading a horoscope or a fortune cookie. You can just about pull the so called experts analysis' out of a hat for most of these prospects. They all have very minor differences.

I'd still love to see how Loomis organizes his board, what system does he use, how much influence Payton and Ryan have, are the scouts in the war room too, etc...

I'd also like to know how close the media scouts are in their anaysis to the real NFL scouts.
Yea touches on quite few things we talked about in your thread. That information would absolutely be golden. But I guess that gives other teams more insight in our draft process... vice versa. That may minimize the competitive advantage that some teams have over others. It could certainly help us out.

I don't know how legal it would be... but I think it would be very helpful to set up minor "pipelines" and build strong relationships with collegiate recruiting coordinators. We'd be more privied to information that would help us scout players long before they're able to be drafted. It's all about staying ahead of the game.

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With our first pick, I'd have no issues if we took Damontre Moore, Jarvis Jones, or Kenny Vacarro. Tank Carradine is also an intriguing name that been rising big time in the past few weeks.
Actually i have been waiting to hear Damontre Moore and Tank Carradine as options. funny how Damontre Moore dropped of the map
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