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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I'd like to get some of your opinions on this guy: Malliciah Goodman, DE, Clemson, 6-4, 276 lbs Malliciah Goodman, DE, Clemson, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com 03/16/2013 - 2013 Clemson Pro Day: Twenty NFL teams including New York ...

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Old 04-24-2013, 03:51 PM   #941
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I'd like to get some of your opinions on this guy:

Malliciah Goodman, DE, Clemson, 6-4, 276 lbs

Malliciah Goodman, DE, Clemson, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

03/16/2013 - 2013 Clemson Pro Day: Twenty NFL teams including New York Jets coach Rex Ryan and GM John Idzik, and five NFL receiver coaches watched 12 Clemson players and one Southern Illinois player work out on March 7. The Jets were there to see Malliciah Goodman.

Malliciah Goodman, DE (6-3 1/2, 273 pounds) - Goodman ran the 40-yard dash in 4.70 and 4.67 seconds. He recorded a 33-inch vertical, a 9-foot-9 broad jump, a 4.48-second short shuttle run and 7.10-seconds in the three-cone drill. He had the same reps (26) at 225 as at the NFL combine. His biggest measurable might be his nearly 37-inch-long arms. - Gil Brandt, NFL.com


Despite playing behind future second round draft picks Da'Quan Bowers and Andre Branch over the first two seasons, the coaches considered Goodman too good to redshirt of keep on the sidelines as he saw a good amount of playing time as a reserve.

With Bowers going to the NFL, Goodman became a starter in 2011 as a junior and recorded a career-best 49 tackles. He saw his snaps diminish in 2012, but he did finish among the team leaders in sacks (7.0) and tackles for loss (9.5).

At 272 pounds, Goodman isn't the quickest or most explosive rusher off the edge, but he works hard to the pocket and has the strength to handle blockers in one-on-one situations.

The career statistics aren't gaudy (12 sacks) and he'll never be a double-digit sack artist, but Goodman brings intriguing tools to the table. He had a "wow" bowl game performance against LSU with three sacks, which brings the question: where was this intensity the rest of the season?



Broad shoulders and passes the eye test with uncanny arm length (36") and large hands (11"). Good first step and attacks with a fiery attitude, sometimes appearing to be the meanest guy in the stadium. Assignment sound and holds contain, setting the edge and using his eyes to quickly react.

Nice job using his limbs to extend and make initial contact, working off blocks. Strong hands and length to strip and rip with a knack for forcing fumbles (eight career FFs). Physical run stopper and lined up mostly at 5-technique end spot at Clemson. Works hard to get underneath blockers and work around the arc to the pocket.


Streaky snap anticipation and is late off the ball, routinely the last lineman to move. Needs to stay balanced through contact, spending too much time on the ground. Needs to develop more versatility with his pass rush moves, appearing to use the same motion on each snap. Tends to out-run the pocket and struggles to turn the corner.

Needs to use his arms and hands more aggressively when locked up. Looks tight when quickly changing directions. Spent too much time on the sidelines and had a "wow" bowl game, which prompts the question where was this intensity the rest of the season?

I don't know, for some reason I'm getting the same kind of tingling from this guy as I did from Hicks last season. He has almost 37 inch arms and apparently a knack for stripping the ball. The weaknesses all seem fixable with good coaching and motivation, which I think Rob Ryan could certainly provide. He's projected as a 5th rounder and could provide some really nice quality at such a low round.

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Old 04-24-2013, 04:26 PM   #942
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he is one of the guys that you wonder if coaching can correct some of the issues with him.
its quickness or late off the snap that worries me.
is it mental, lack of effort, or asked to play to much in college and wore down?

worth a late round flyer keeping in mind he may never be more than a rational player? sure

see here is the statement from above that makes you wonder

He had a "wow" bowl game performance against LSU with three sacks, which brings the question: where was this intensity the rest of the season?

was he rotated in and out more or what?

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Old 04-24-2013, 04:56 PM   #943
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He's not a quick-twitch type of athlete; and his current size suggests him as a 4-3 defensive end...

Comparable to Will Smith...the slower, older version...not the younger version though admittedly, I was never impressed neither....

Not sure his frame could take another forty pounds, but that's what it would take for him to play 3-4 DE...

With some hard work, he could last in the league for eight years, but the slowness of his game limits his ceiling to a rotation/reservist player...
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:07 PM   #944
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Yeah, I was thinking of him as a rotational player who could provide very serviceable depth for several years at a key defensive position with a low investment of a latter round pick.

I wouldn't expect him to necessarily ever become a starting player, especially not right away, but he could be groomed into a very good rotational guy who wouldn't brake the bank.
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ok i did some digging and i think conditioning is a major issue. he is a limited snaps player for sure. kinda of the same story with Kwame Geathers DE/NT Georgia. i think he could be used as 34 DE but he needs work lol i know thats what these rounds are for.

his numbers are not that bad
40 4.78
20 2.71
10 1.72
20 ss 4.48
3 cone 7.10

it seems his snap count cap in college should have been around 40. thats when he was most productive
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Old 04-25-2013, 03:56 AM   #946
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Just reading the BBCs website this morning and they have a piece of British prospect Menelick Watson.
It's pretty in depth and good

From the streets of Manchester to the NFL
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By Ian Shoesmith

BBC Sport

From devouring free sachets of tomato ketchup as an impoverished kid in inner-city Manchester to the brink of a multi-million dollar career in the NFL, Menelik Watson's journey is an incredible tale.

As one of four boys brought up by a single parent on the tough Anson Estate in Longsight, an area of Manchester which until recently was infamous for gun crime and turf wars between gangs, life's dice were loaded against him.

One of the Watson boys is still in prison and another has spent time inside. But not Menelik.

Watson played for Florida State University
"I saw my brothers hit the streets and I really saw what it was doing to my mum," the 24-year-old told BBC Sport ahead of Thursday's NFL Draft (early hours of Friday in the UK), in which the cream of the college crop are allocated to the sport's 32 professional teams. "I always knew that I didn't want to add to that stress - it was really breaking her down.

"I've been on the street corner before, but I've always been blessed by a good spirit around me that kept me out of trouble."

That and his quick feet. Able to complete the 40-yard dash in a shade over five seconds, Watson is freakishly fast for a man standing 6ft 5in (1.95m) tall and weighing 310lb (22st, 141kg).

Watson also thanks his lucky stars for the day he met basketball coach Rob Orellana.

The American spotted him at a Christmas 2006 basketball tournament in Manchester, just after Watson's 18th birthday.

While being 6ft 5in tall is something the vast majority of us can only dream of, amazingly it is not quite tall enough to put you into the stratospheric world of an NBA power forward.

But Orellana thought he would take a punt on Watson anyway, because of his "agility, lift and unique ability to move laterally for a kid of his size" and offer him a place at his basketball academy in the Canary Islands.

It represented a second chance in sport for Watson, whose dreams of playing as a defensive midfielder for his beloved Manchester City had been shattered along with his ankle five years previously during a "100 against 100" game of park football.

"Can you imagine seeing the bone poking out of your skin? The doctor told me they almost amputated [my foot] because they were worried about the difficult complications that could happen if they put my ankle back together," he recalled.

"They told me I shouldn't play sports again. Me being bone-headed, I found basketball and fell in love with it."

What he lacked in inches Watson certainly made up for in application, although he openly admits to having initially found Orellana's tough training regime hard to deal with.

"The first year, I hated him. I couldn't stand him," joked Watson before talking about the incredibly close relationship which now exists between them.

The love goes both ways.

"If everyone had his drive we would have a beautiful world," said Orellana. "You'd have to do a lobotomy; you'd have to do open-heart surgery to see what was in his brain and what he's got in his heart."

When Watson was about to become a father four years ago, it was coach Orellana who stumped up the money to pay for him to fly home to Manchester.

"I got home to see my baby being born. He's like my father, he always has been and always will be," said Watson.

When it was clear a couple of years ago that his protege would not make it as a professional basketball player, Orellana took Watson to a small-town college which barely registers in its home state of California, let alone across the United States.

"We showed up unannounced on the doorstep at Saddleback junior college and said 'hey, he wants to play [American] football'," explained Orellana.

"He ran a little, they looked at the size of his legs and they said 'we'd love to have you'."

At this point, Watson had never donned a pair of shoulder pads or even picked up an American football.

But he took to the sport like a natural - "I had to learn all the rules; it was fun, like being a kid again" - and within months he had scouts from elite colleges checking him out.

The man who ended up signing Watson, though, did so purely by chance.

If you were looking for an actor to play the role of a gruff, grizzled coach, Rick Trickett's name would surely be at the top of Central Casting's list.

"I went to California to see another guy we had on our list," explained the former US Marine and Vietnam veteran. "And the junior coach then pulled me aside and said 'I've got one better than him'.

"And I'm thinking 'OK, sure you do'."

Watson joined Trickett's Florida State University team as a right tackle, a position where your main jobs are to stop your equally huge opponents from flattening your quarterback and to open up gaps for your running back to exploit.

"I've been doing this going on 41 years now," said Trickett in his slow West Virginian drawl. "And Menelik is the most explosive big man that I've ever coached.

"It didn't take long for me to realise this cat is a little bit different."

Having only played 20 games in his entire life, Watson now heads to the NFL Draft at Radio City Music Hall in New York as one of the highest-rated young players in America.

A seven-figure salary awaits wherever he ends up, although he had the option of further honing his skills by playing one more year in college.

Watson gets to grips with an opponent while playing for Florida State University last season
But American football is a brutal sport. With the risk of a torn cruciate ligament or a head injury snatching away any dreams of a million-dollar contract in an instant, few can blame him for turning pro at the first opportunity.

"I'm 24 years old, I've been in school my whole life and I thought it was about time I got a job," said Watson, who promises to give some of his first pay cheque to his mum Novlyn as well as buying his first place to live and a "little" vehicle.

"I'm a simple guy, I don't need much," he said.

"Some consider me as a mummy's boy. She had four boys, she was by herself and many a time she could have walked out and left us [but] she always showed us love.

"She was hard on us - she had to be - but it's just the respect, when you see somebody fight that hard for you. I owe it to her, more than anybody else in the world, to do something positive and see her smile. That's my motivation."

When he was growing up, he remembers being so hungry that, when accompanying his mum on a cleaning job, he helped himself to ketchup in the canteen.

Watson is desperate for his four-year-old girl Orellana - named in honour of his mentor Rob - to have a better start to life than he did and is relieved that his soon-to-be-found financial security will enable him to see a lot more of her in Manchester, where she still lives with her mother.

"She is so aware of her surroundings, so advanced, smart, respectful and loving," he says with pride. "I'm just so glad that she won't have to ever go through some of things [I had to]."

Watson knows he still has a lot to learn but, in the words of coach Trickett, "Menelik is like a sponge".

Trickett explained: "He's not been Americanised so he doesn't know what he's not supposed to know.

"God's blessed him with enough ability and enough intelligence that, for the most part, he can do anything."

As for Watson himself?

"I haven't done anything yet in terms of where I want to go and want to accomplish," he said.

"Rome wasn't built in a day but I've figured out the formula of the way you're meant to do things.

"One of my big goals is to win a Super Bowl. I watched this year and I was telling myself 'I know I'm going to be there one year'."

"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!
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Menelik Watson's is an interesting prospect that is a RT that is projected to MIGHT be able to switch to LT in the NFL. now that move would need a heck of a lot of scouting that is available to to the normal fan.

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2013 Wish List, Mock Draft, Deez Guys [Updated 2013/04/25]

R1 (15) LB Alec Ogletree, University of Georgia

R2 Forfeit

R3 (75) OL Barrett Jones, University of Alabama

R4 (106) LB Chase Thomas, Stanford University (from NY Jets)

R4 (109) DE Nicholas Williams, Samford University

R5 (144) QB Ryan Griffin, Tulane University

R6 (183) FS Cody Davis, Texas Tech University

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Old 04-25-2013, 12:53 PM   #949
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my big board Round 1

who might is in our reach for a trade
Lane Johnson OT Oklahoma
Jonathan Cooper OG/OC NC
Star Lotulelei NT Utah

at 15
Alec Ogletree, ILB - Georgia
Jarvis Jones, DE/OLB, Georgia

surprise reaches or trade down
Alex Okafor, DE/OLB, Texas
Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State
Desmond Trufant CB Washington
Jamie Collins, OLB, Southern Miss
Sylvester Williams, DT, North Carolina
Datone Jones, DE/DT, UCLA
Damontre Moore, DE/OLB, Texas A&M
Xavier Rhodes*, CB, Florida State
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Old 04-25-2013, 01:12 PM   #950
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Just seen tape on vaccarro and I have to say - he's very slow to read and react, very slow to the ball!

Wouldnt want to waste our pick there
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