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jeanpierre 12-10-2012 04:37 AM

2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board
 
Barely into December, and well, we can start talking draft...

...Love Draft Talk, Prospects, but in this context - it kinda sucks, but it's reality and know we wanna see our team return to the elite quickly...

...and we'll be drafting in the middle of the pack because of a midseason tease despite several years of neglect by the Scouting dept, especially in rounds 1 and 2...

...but the recent play of Jordan and discussion of a possible position switch for Malcolm Jenkins who's made remarkable plays despite inconsistency directing the defense has given hope for a defensive resurgence...

...yet it's obvious we are way short on talent on the defensive side of the ball and at the Offensive Tackle position...

...so with the College bowl games upon us and soon thereafter Senior Bowls...

...thought we could start building a Big Board of prospects...

...as well as priorities for the team...

iWho_Dat 12-10-2012 04:41 AM

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OMG. Lol I just posted a thread that a new mock came out and has us selecting Manti Te'o.

Ultimate Edition of the 2013 NFL Mock Draft

jeanpierre 12-10-2012 04:46 AM

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Some names that could be available to the Saints in the middle of the Draft...

Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri
Barkevious Mingo, OLB/DE, LSU
C.J. Mosley, OLB, Alabama
Alex Okafor, DE, Texas
Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU

dizzle88 12-10-2012 04:56 AM

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Is te'o and OLB or MLB?

If he is an OLB, we should take him in a heart beat, just wondered because we have lofton at MLB

iWho_Dat 12-10-2012 05:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 464083)
Is te'o and OLB or MLB?

If he is an OLB, we should take him in a heart beat, just wondered because we have lofton at MLB

I believe he's OLB. but he could probably kick field goals of we needed him too. Dudes a freaking athlete. No off the field issues. Big heart. High motor. And a great person.

mighty12 12-10-2012 05:50 AM

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Te'o is an ILB on a 3-4 defense. I had a convo with some friends about how I really liked the kid and wanted him in B&G and then I watched ND play and saw him line up.......No thanks! We have ZERO competent OLBs right now. Vilma and Lofton are true MLBs and do not function well on the outside. I would take Mingo and put him at the Will but even that scares me a little because we need production now. Montgomery is a BEAST, don't look at stats, watch games. He is chipped and double teamed every snap. Matthews from A&M.....YES! Actually any OL from A&M. They do not give up on blocking which is difficult when you have Johnny Heisman running around back there. Trade down and get Mosley might be our best option. He is a solid OLB and could really help the defense.

We need a lot of help, and we don't have the money to do it. We will have to do it through the draft. I will be interested to see what we do in the later rounds as that is where we make our money. We need in no particular order OT, WR, DT, OLB, SS. I think we have enough corners if they develop well under Spags.

TheOak 12-10-2012 07:26 AM

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MUlti selection would have been a good choice for this poll.

NOS2SB 12-10-2012 08:06 AM

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Hurry up SEPTEMBER.

skymike 12-10-2012 08:58 AM

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This is so sad. 3 games left in the season, and we have to talk draft.
not criticizing, Im just saying.
Its a dark, gloomy day where I am today.

lee909 12-10-2012 09:35 AM

I agree it sucks to be looking forward to the draft allready but this season was always going to be hard with everything that happened.Im just hoping we can get the second round pick back.

In trying to stay positive and be happy we will have a high pick and be able to rebuild the defence and that when coach P gets back and we roll through everyone next year.

|Mitch| 12-10-2012 09:37 AM

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We need a DT/DE first, got to replace the underachieving Ellis and/or Smith...

And the next pick, we need offensive line help...

Shoe. 12-10-2012 09:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 464163)
Im just hoping we can get the second round pick back.

Not only should we get it back, we should get an extra 7th rounder after everybody else has picked because roger is a d*ck

This years draft should have 253 picks

jeanpierre 12-10-2012 10:27 AM

Should the charges re: Bountygate turn out to not be a pay-for-injury compensation scheme as alleged, then not only should our 2013 R2 pick be returned, but we should be given a compensatory R2 pick at the beginning of the 2013 Second Round!

lee909 12-10-2012 10:39 AM

I'm expecting them to drop the charge from pay-per-injury to a pay-performance charge.It allows them to keep face and not have to worry about possible court cases from the personal who lost vast sums of money.Last years second allready taken away so reinstate this years second pick.
Just putting 2&2 together,probably coming up with 37

RaginCajun83 12-10-2012 11:12 AM

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They might give the Saints the 2nd rounder back this year but I just don't see them giving the Saints a second 2nd round pick even after the courts rule this was a witch hunt

jeanpierre 12-10-2012 01:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 464206)
They might give the Saints the 2nd rounder back this year but I just don't see them giving the Saints a second 2nd round pick even after the courts rule this was a witch hunt

Then Benson should put a Poydras Street/Eastern District Beatdown on their @$$&$!!!

Back to Draft Picks...

For the first pick, I really like going with the DNA axiom and taking Bruce Matthew's son...

Spend the first rounder on a kid that's going to be with your franchise for 12-15 years and that'll protect your investment at QB...just makes sense...

Danno 12-10-2012 01:23 PM

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You have DE listed twice, but no DT. I think RT and LT should have been listed separately.

My opinion...

RDE
LT (If we lose Bushrod)
OLB #1
RT
DT
OLB #2
CB #1
TE
FS
WR
OC
SS
K

Budsdrinker 12-10-2012 02:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 464253)
You have DE listed twice, but no DT. I think RT and LT should have been listed separately.

My opinion...

RDE
LT (If we lose Bushrod)
OLB #1
RT
DT
OLB #2
CB #1
TE
FS
WR
OC
SS
K

If we re-sign Bushrod where do you think LT priority should be? I like your thinking here!

UK_WhoDat 12-10-2012 02:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 464253)
You have DE listed twice,.....

My aunt told me that her neighbour said that he did that because the position was so bad that he named it twice.

nicebush25 12-10-2012 03:56 PM

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Te'o is a middle linebacker and will be a top five pick. He's the second coming of junior seau. Go Irish!

hagan714 12-10-2012 05:35 PM

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still no one has listed my players yet lol

if we are in the top 15 i say its a short list and the saints need to trade down if the 2 or 3 impact players in the middle of the round are gone.

Danno 12-10-2012 06:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 464284)
If we re-sign Bushrod where do you think LT priority should be? I like your thinking here!

I'd say a developmental LT in the middle to late rounds, kinda like Jones, but better, and maybe a veteran journeyman as an emergency back-up.

Bushrod is an OK LT. I think he's a better LT than Strief is as a RT.

FinSaint 12-10-2012 08:39 PM

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I think that the priority should be with the defensive line, followed by the offensive tackles, and either a Sam LB or a playmaking safety.

But, as always, they should go with the BPA and listen to any and all potential trades to grow their pick pool, especially if the league doesn't return the 2nd round pick.

As for Bushrod, I agree with Danno's assessment about him being better at his position than Strief is at his, but that is not a high compliment as Strief has been under performing the whole season even before his injury woes. Still, if Bushrod isn't willing to re-sign with a pay cut, I think they should let him go as they did with Goodwin two seasons a go.


Oh, and please no players who need to be converted into another position or a different scheme to fit the defense of the Saints!

jeanpierre 12-10-2012 09:41 PM

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I know how bad we are at DE, OLB, and Safety...

That said, I'm starting my campaign for Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M for the Saints First Round Draft Pick...

You don't get guys that come around the league that often with this kind of pedigree and DNA - his Dad was Bruce Matthews who tied Merlin Olsen for the League Record for Career ProBowls - if we get half of that, then it's a steal in the draft...

And this kid can play and have an immediate impact...

Danno 12-11-2012 02:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 464358)
I know how bad we are at DE, OLB, and Safety...

Well you got 2 out of 3 right.

lsutigerfan 12-11-2012 03:02 PM

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I want Bjoern Werner badly.

1st round-Bjoern Werner DE, Florida ST.
3rd round-Arthur Brown OLB Kansas ST.
4th round-Tyrann Mathieu CB, LSU

TheOak 12-11-2012 03:08 PM

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"know" can bite like a rattle snake some times.

joker-saint 12-12-2012 01:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iWho_Dat (Post 464079)
OMG. Lol I just posted a thread that a new mock came out and has us selecting Manti Te'o.

Ultimate Edition of the 2013 NFL Mock Draft

No Way he is still available by the time pick number 16 comes around. St Louis has two picks almost back to back, Philly at pick number 5 might want an upgrade at LB as well as Carolina at pick number 6. Nice thought, but much like going to the superbowl this year it is a pipe dream. Sorry

joker-saint 12-12-2012 01:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 464163)
I agree it sucks to be looking forward to the draft allready but this season was always going to be hard with everything that happened.Im just hoping we can get the second round pick back.

In trying to stay positive and be happy we will have a high pick and be able to rebuild the defence and that when coach P gets back and we roll through everyone next year.

Hopefully we get Sean Payton back. If that happens I am certain he has had more than enough time to analyze all of the games we played this year and will have some immediate changes he wants to make. He had the best view of all the coaches. By being on the outside with the fan base looking in he got to see everything the fans were seeing. Imagine what an entire season off can do for a coach like Payton. Lots of time to think and strategize. In a way it is probably better the Saints didn't make it to the playoffs this year because they probably would think they didn't need Payton back.

jeanpierre 12-12-2012 12:17 PM

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From Walter Football...

13. New Orleans Saints: Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri
Sedrick Ellis has been a bust. He'll be hitting free agency this March, so it's unlikely he'll be back with the team. Canadian Akiem Hicks has played well, but the Saints need someone next to him who can rush the passer on the interior. Sheldon Richardson, who has been phenomenal this season, could be that guy.




73. New Orleans Saints: Tank Carradine, DE, Florida State

The Saints aren't getting much pressure on the quarterback. Cameron Jordan has improved in this department over the second half of the season, but Will Smith looks like a shell of his former self. He's due $10 million in 2013, so he obviously won't be back.

FinSaint 12-12-2012 12:56 PM

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I could go for a DT and a DE with the first two picks, but I think they might want to try and expand their number of picks through some trade downs if at all possible.

jeanpierre 12-12-2012 01:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 464678)
I could go for a DT and a DE with the first two picks, but I think they might want to try and expand their number of picks through some trade downs if at all possible.

The draft is fluid, dynamic and just like games there will need to be adjustments - but I'm not sure we can afford to trade down as we're in real need of some impact players at DE, OT, OLB, S/DB (Depending on what happens with Jenkins)...

|Mitch| 12-12-2012 01:29 PM

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1st/3rd round pick needs to be used on D-Line and O-Line; I agree with JP, we need 2 impact starters from the beginning there. We don't have the luxury this year of stock-piling picks...

FinSaint 12-12-2012 03:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 464689)
1st/3rd round pick needs to be used on D-Line and O-Line; I agree with JP, we need 2 impact starters from the beginning there. We don't have the luxury this year of stock-piling picks...


Yeah, but trading down from the 1st to early 2nd could still get them an impact player and maybe also get a 3rd rounder for it.

I'm just saying that they should really try and fill as many holes in the draft as they can, because the new CBA makes rookies very affordable and they need to make some savings in the 53 man roster.

They can always try and use some of those savings to sign a proven veteran impact player from the FA pool if they decide not to re-sign Graham during this offseason.

Papa Voodoo 12-13-2012 12:37 PM

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#1 is a defensive lineman that can get consistent push, especially in Spags defense. The O is good with what we have. We may not break records and score 50 points per game, but 24-28 per game will be great with a running game and a stronger D. Where's Walter Thomas these days :P

jeanpierre 12-13-2012 06:15 PM

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Depending on where Saints lineup in the draft...

But I'm bullish on Jake Matthews, OT Texas A&M...

I'm trending towards a proven, complement to Cam Jordan in Free Agency rather than the first round of the draft and here's why -

I don't think I could take drafting another defensive lineman in the first round who's best first move is on the senior deacon in a sunday baptist buffet line...

Besides, defensive ends typically have a prime life of three-four, maybe five years?!? I'd rather get a free-agent rental than invest a possible top 10 draft pick for a player that has five-six years with us...

Danno 12-13-2012 06:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 465036)
Depending on where Saints lineup in the draft...

But I'm bullish on Jake Matthews, OT Texas A&M...

I'm trending towards a proven, complement to Cam Jordan in Free Agency rather than the first round of the draft and here's why -

I don't think I could take drafting another defensive lineman in the first round who's best first move is on the senior deacon in a sunday baptist buffet line...

Besides, defensive ends typically have a prime life of three-four, maybe five years?!? I'd rather get a free-agent rental than invest a possible top 10 draft pick for a player that has five-six years with us...

Yep, free-agents to shore up weakness and draft BPA except at obvious non-need positions QB, OG, LDE, MLB, etc...

jeanpierre 12-13-2012 06:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 465039)
Yep, free-agents to shore up weakness and draft BPA except at obvious non-need positions QB, OG, LDE, MLB, etc...

I'm not so sure we don't need to look at drafting a QB...

...I love Drew, but he's no spring chicken and his long ball is starting to have some drama to it...

jeanpierre 12-14-2012 04:40 AM

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Should we pick between 10-14, these are some of the names and positions we could be looking at when we draft...

Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State
John Jenkins, DT, Georgia
Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri
Barkevious Mingo, 3-4 OLB, LSU
Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State
Damontre Moore, 3-4 OLB, Texas A&M
Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan

jeanpierre 12-14-2012 12:47 PM

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Don't know how, but the fourth option in the poll was Defensive Tackle?!?

And has Hagan published his Wish List for the Draft?


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