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how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I think we have to address our offense more than defense in the draft. Drew's peak can't be starting and ending now....

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Old 12-11-2012, 05:12 AM   #11
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Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?

I think we have to address our offense more than defense in the draft. Drew's peak can't be starting and ending now.
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:32 AM   #12
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Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?

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I think we have to address our offense more than defense in the draft. Drew's peak can't be starting and ending now.
you're joking right?
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:48 AM   #13
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Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?

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We have been getting killed at the line of scrimmage. Do you think this is mostly Brees problem or does he just suddenly suck.
Blaming the o-line for a QB performance...... Depends on what aspect of his performance you are talking about. He has had a few INTs that were because he was trying to avoid getting sacked (few)... However, the bulk are from him trying to fit balls where he probably shouldn't, tipped balls, and some just poor judgement passes.

Now if you want to talk about the handfull of delay of game penalties because he couldnt get the play right and set... Could be Drew, could be Pete changing things with in 15 seconds of the play clock reading :00.... Drew had one right after a time out, I am going to just guess that Pete is all Fkd up this season because that is not normal for a veteran QB much less Derw. To have a delay of game right after a time out bewilders me. Based on the decision to burn clock and failure to get a FG before a half leads me to believe its the Coaches... One could accuse Drew and few have, but ANY coach with his head on would have called a time out and put the FG team on the field.


Blaming the O-Line for our horrible running games for more than a hand full of games is a lot easier. We had games where we ran three RBs and none ave more than 2.6 YPC.... Thats pure O-line.


As far as for Wills post, I cant make heads or tales of 75% of them, the other 25% I understand but have no clue where he is coming from.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:59 AM   #14
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Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?

Half the blame goes to the O-line, half to Brees, IMO. ANY QB under pressure is less effective but in the in the end Brees pulls the trigger on every throw. Pick any game and you can spread the blame to a different aspect of the team, it has just been that kind of year.
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Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?

I blame play calling. Too many times Brees is looking for the 20+ yard pass play and if the receiver doesn't have the separation on his first cut he has to hold the ball longer. 2 weeks ago I watched Denver and Tampa and the Bucs are well known for what, cover 2. I watched Peyton eat them up with 3, 4 and 5 yard passes until they brought a safety down and then he went for the longer routes. Our problem is we(Brees & Carmichael) always want the big play and the only short route is the 3rd dwn check down if Sproles is in. We should be eating defenses up with quick strikes. We have big bodies in Colston and Graham and quickness and perfect route running with Moore. No reason on 3rd and 4 for us to always be looking for Graham or Colston 25 yards down the seam. Defense know that's what Brees looks for because of all the game tape and that's why he has so many picks, they set him up for it.

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Old 12-11-2012, 11:06 AM   #16
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Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?

I was at the last game against the NY Giants and my opinion goes something like this:

1) Eric Olsen was being rotated in as a TE almost 50% of the game to help block. Tuck and Co. were no where near Bress for the bulk of the game. IMHO, excellent decision to neutralize their pass rush

2) Brees reminds me of Jim Everett this year: moments of great poise, the rest, happy feet. That goes back to a lack of confidence in the O line I guess.

3) Brees is forcing passes. I saw him try to get it to Graham a couple times and he was double and triple covered while he had other receivers open in man. Defintely NOT seeing the field for whatever reason.

In short, the line may have issues, but players dropping passes (Colston, Sproles, Graham), catching the ball 6 yds deep and then trying to run the ball out of the endzone (Cadet), failing to scramble with the ball when there's an open field (Brees), and allowing seams in return coverage so large you could slide a Mack truck through...SIDEWAYS (special teams).

These are just a few things I saw. Not a good nite to be rocking my Saints gear, because in the second half, I was laughed right out of the stadium on Sunday!

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Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?

I think there are some unknowns that need to be considered.

WE hate the play calling, I cant believe Drew Brees likes it any much more.

Unless i am dead wrong, with the exception of the 2 min offense which is fairly scripted the plays are dictated from the sidelines. Drw can call audibles but in the absence of DAD, we have no clue if there is a struggle between Vitt and Carmicheal on the play calling.

Drew does make some bad throws but that could be a combination of BAD play calling and Drew (any QB) just not being able to see the ENTIRE field.

Quote from Troy Aikman last night in the Texans game against the Patriots. "even at 6'4" I had trouble seeing over 6'7" linemen."

Another comment on Bradys prep for the Texans (6'4"). In practice all week Brady had defensive linemen waiving paddles in the air so he could work on seeing AROUND things.

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Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?

I think the judgement needs to now be next year. Get the foundation of our offensive gameplan back (Payton) and see how we respond. If we can't perhaps the issues are beyond play-calling/unit cohesion/protection/ forcing things.
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Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?

how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?
Some for sure.
That O line is not what we had last year.
Worse:
That O line is not even got the personnel we hoped we would have from the start of the season.

So in that respect, Brees has had to work harder to drive the offence.

Continuing:
Some of our receivers have dropped more passes that they should be expected to have done. Statistically, that contributes to Brees looking like he has problems.

But:
There are times he does decent protection and his passes are downright very poor.
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Old 12-11-2012, 06:44 PM   #20
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Re: how much of Brees problems are due to the Olines?

What a horrible waste of money he was. I have seen countless players fall off the map after getting paid but I did not think it would happen with Brees. How much of a cap hit will we have to take if we got rid of him?
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