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Old 12-13-2012, 11:45 AM   #11
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Re: Goodell's Accountability

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Old 12-13-2012, 08:10 PM   #12
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Re: Goodell's Accountability

Originally Posted by TheOak View Post
I was replying to that...

In the courtroom when the concussion cases are being heard... No one will ever see evidence to anything but the NFL putting an end to systemic bounty programs...

Humiliation, public opinion, image, will play no part... Those are subjective terms and cant be used with out objections. For every subjective negative opinion someone else can give a subjective positive opinion. Damage to public opinion is not quantifiable.

The league will present evidence of ending systemic bounty programs.... which is what they set out to do.
I understand what you're saying, but you seem to be putting a great deal of emphasis on just the PR part of things. When I say that no one comes out of this believing in this moral face the NFL tried to put on, I'm not just talking about how people view their character.

The reason for all this crap was to make it look like they didn't know about this going on in the league for so long, and now they suddenly find out (supposedly) and they're pissed, and they won't stand for it. That's what they want the court to believe. But again, this whole saga has done nothing but expose their hypocrisy. Everyone can see that they were desperate and grasping for air.

Couple this with the the fact that Goodell had insisted a few years back that concussions were not linked to long term brain damage (I always knew they were linked, and I haven't spent a day in my life studying that crap) and the court will see that this guy has a pattern of lying, or ignoring the truth and then going on some campaign to try to cover his a**. Public perception is very bad for him, but I am well aware that it has no bearing on legal matters, which is why my point is about how the COURT will perceive him. I don't think he had a prayer of winning that case anyway, which is why he went crazy with this bounty crap, but now his odds are even lower.

The court is not going to fall for this idea of "well they stopped bounties". That has nothing to do with retired players. They will see this as a disingenuous tact to appear that they were/are concerned about player safety. You say the NFL's objective was to end systematic bounties, but I think we both know that's just a side effect. It was nothing but a facade. But by singling out one team, and having been proven to be loose with the facts to get said team, they did not accomplish a thing. They never proved that they stopped anything, by not proving it really existed in the Saints organization. All we have is hearsay, and that most assuredly will not fly in the court of law. That much has proven true, already.
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If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 12-13-2012, 11:09 PM   #13
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For years the NFL implemented all kinds of new rules and policies, including free agency, in order to create parity in the league. In one fell swoop, Goodell managed to destroy the Saints chances of being competitive by taking away players, draft picks and coaches, and thereby causing them to put a poor product on the field. Goodell is bad for the league and bad for the future of the nfl. He has a personal agenda to project himself as someone bigger than the game. He needs to go.
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Originally Posted by Jamessr View Post
Sports Center reported that Roger Goodell was a "victim" of a botched investigation and went off the information given to him...
You have got to be kidding?
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I understand what you're saying, but you seem to be putting a great deal of emphasis on just the PR part of things. When I say that no one comes out of this believing in this moral face the NFL tried to put on, I'm not just talking about how people view their character.

The reason for all this crap was to make it look like they didn't know about this going on in the league for so long, and now they suddenly find out (supposedly) and they're pissed, and they won't stand for it. That's what they want the court to believe. But again, this whole saga has done nothing but expose their hypocrisy. Everyone can see that they were desperate and grasping for air.

Couple this with the the fact that Goodell had insisted a few years back that concussions were not linked to long term brain damage (I always knew they were linked, and I haven't spent a day in my life studying that crap) and the court will see that this guy has a pattern of lying, or ignoring the truth and then going on some campaign to try to cover his a**. Public perception is very bad for him, but I am well aware that it has no bearing on legal matters, which is why my point is about how the COURT will perceive him. I don't think he had a prayer of winning that case anyway, which is why he went crazy with this bounty crap, but now his odds are even lower.

The court is not going to fall for this idea of "well they stopped bounties". That has nothing to do with retired players. They will see this as a disingenuous tact to appear that they were/are concerned about player safety. You say the NFL's objective was to end systematic bounties, but I think we both know that's just a side effect. It was nothing but a facade. But by singling out one team, and having been proven to be loose with the facts to get said team, they did not accomplish a thing. They never proved that they stopped anything, by not proving it really existed in the Saints organization. All we have is hearsay, and that most assuredly will not fly in the court of law. That much has proven true, already.
PR means nothing to me, its all about showing evidence that a major step has been taken to eradicate bounty programs in court.

You have misunderstood all of my postings on this topic... The NFLs driver for all of this was to have evidence to present in court... Bounty's ending is just a side effect.

What i said was that the NFL will frame this in court as an effort to "end systemic bounty's".

When it comes to court rooms and this topic, all the NFL has to exhibit is a modicum of responsibility. Going above and beyond is not required. "Reasonable effort" is what helps.

Does this clear them of any culpability? Most certainly not... It does show a reasonable effort which MAY get them a reduced pay out.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:51 PM   #16
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PR means nothing to me, its all about showing evidence that a major step has been taken to eradicate bounty programs in court.

You have misunderstood all of my postings on this topic... The NFLs driver for all of this was to have evidence to present in court... Bounty's ending is just a side effect.

What i said was that the NFL will frame this in court as an effort to "end systemic bounty's".

When it comes to court rooms and this topic, all the NFL has to exhibit is a modicum of responsibility. Going above and beyond is not required. "Reasonable effort" is what helps.

Does this clear them of any culpability? Most certainly not... It does show a reasonable effort which MAY get them a reduced pay out.
I have not misunderstood anything. You specifically told me that no matter what the league has done, people will still watch football. I don't care about the fans perspective. Bounties are not what cause concussions. Football itself is a violent sport, and lots of injuries occur. A disingenuous so called "effort" to end bounties doesn't do a damn thing to make up for the fact the league lied about concussions. Why should any court care what the league did AFTER it lied? These lawsuits were filed well before bountygate.

In order for this sham of an investigation to have any bearing on those lawsuits, the league would have had to prove that they never knew these things had been going on for years. Instead they acted like they just found out, and proceeded to go on a witch hunt. They presented nothing but hearsay for 9 months, and now Roger's rulings have been largely thrown out. You consider this a win for the NFL? Do you honestly believe they accomplished anything, with all that said? I don't. Don't tell me I don't understand your posts. I understand clearly what your opinion is. What I don't understand is HOW you can believe the NFL has somehow proven anything to any court. These lawsuits don't henge on anything that happens today. They are about what has already taken place, that the NFL ignored for many years.

You and I agree that the NFL is responsible for it's transgressions. I simply don't agree that this current BS against the Saints will help them at all. There's no way it could after everything they've botched.
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If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 12-15-2012, 01:55 AM   #17
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His cardinal sin is hes hurting the product Oak, and their by reducing the office of Commisioner, or CEO if you want to call it as it is, to look like a lauphing stock. No CEO can do that and suvive.
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Truthfully I would not be suprised if the BOD of the NFL are not seeking legal counsel to let him go for breach of contract. Just in case this gets worse.
Its a solid move on their part.
After all you have to think. Someone told Goodell to step down with the bounty case. He never did that on his own. That was decided for him.
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Old 12-15-2012, 06:16 AM   #18
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I've read through this thread several times and for the life of me, I can't see where anybody doesn't make a valid point ... or two. I gotta' hand it to you guys, you all know your sh@t & how to present it, .

People around me wonder how I'm able to discuss the in's & out's of this situation so completely ... it's right here. I get 99% of my real information on the subject right here.
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Old 12-16-2012, 08:59 PM   #19
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A victim my rear end. As Goodell is really ruining the game for a lot of people, including me. As he really needs to know who to suspend like with drugs, violence, etc. And not whom to suspend. To eliminate stuff like kickoffs as that would make the game less exciting!

A victim my rear end! Goodell is a joke!
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:17 PM   #20
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Bounty Gate was a convenient lightning rod for the league. The lawsuits over concussions were looming on the horizon. The NFL had to do something to give the "world" the impression they were concerned about player safety. Enter the Greg Williams and his traveling bounty circus and presto!!! Just what the doctor ordered!!
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