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Old 01-01-2013, 10:09 AM   #11
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Re: The Stolen Season

I feel your pain.

As a great Cyborg once said
"We`ll be back"
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:20 PM   #12
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It's something we can't get back. As bad as we want it. It is what it is. You can't put toothpaste back in the tube. I'm just looking forward to seeing coach back and moving forward!
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:26 PM   #13
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I felt about like the season was stolen too. But as far as I heard Payton admitted that there had been bounty payments? If so, it was annoying that we got cought. But I never saw an article stating SP's commitment. And if he did, what was the reason?

I am positive that after this stolen season our black and gold comes back stronger, like the coach will do too. No one can stop us in 2013!!!
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Old 01-01-2013, 02:14 PM   #14
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But as far as I heard Payton admitted that there had been bounty payments?
No, he never said ANY such thing... He took full responsibility for the WHOLE THING, the scandal, as head coach, and he apologized for "what happened on his watch".... and he apologized to Goodell, Benson and the fans...but in a very careful statement that not a lot of people read, he NEVER once admitted to any bounty payments, to any bounty program, to Vilma's $50,000 on the table, or anything even close to admitting anything of what allegations Goodell was describing....just that he was guilty of "disrespecting the shield" of Goodell and the NFL....in truth there wasn't anything else he could really admit to with a clean conscience. But being the one in charge, the top person, he took responsibility for that, and owned up to it, that it was "on him." And a lot of media don't pay attention to what he said, and even some people in Saints-land don't give him any credit for that.
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Old 01-01-2013, 02:17 PM   #15
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The season just ended two days ago, and I'm already over it. Bring on next year!
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Old 01-01-2013, 02:26 PM   #16
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Thanks for the post, bro! That reads much different and makes sence!
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Old 01-01-2013, 03:07 PM   #17
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Hindsight, it actually caused more damage to Goodell than the Saints season. He solidified what everyone though about him. Vilma may just forge it in time for good. For the Saints legacy I will remember it as a season with uncommon adversity yet they almost got into the playoffs, just fell a little short.
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Old 01-01-2013, 04:54 PM   #18
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Last season will forever be this, in my mind:

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Old 01-01-2013, 05:43 PM   #19
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I'm STILL waiting to see the real evidence. I'm still wanting to know the timeline of what this was really about. From who, what, where, when this really started.

Did it start with Childress complaining to Goodell, whose daughter is a Vikings fan (!), and did Childress name Jimmy Kennedy as his "source," because he knew of his connection to Hargrove, even though Kennedy never said so? Did Zyg Wylf, who desperately needed the NFL's help with a new stadium, complain to Goodell about it too? Where did this all COME FROM?

I said this way back at the beginning -- I have an enormous amount of emotion and energy invested in these guys and the team, as a fan...But as a reasonable, rational person, knowing what I know about the players, their coaches and their character, I REFUSE to throw them under the bus, just based on allegations or hearsay or things that don't pass the "smell test" but make good headlines....

I know people who occasionally do bad stuff -- friends, acquaintances, people I know, maybe someone close, or there's a family argument -- and in those cases I weigh it and evaluate and hear what people say, I weigh everything I hear from all sides of the argument and I decide each case on its merits ...

That never really happened in this case....we didn't get the chance to do that, as fans of the team, to weigh things and decide based on evidence....

Like a lot of Saints fans, I'm perfectly reasonable as a human being -- if someone shows me evidence that proves their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and shows an even hand of equitable punishment for all teams across the board, that you can TRUST the decision of the person in charge, well I will GLADLY throw these guys under the bus, Payton and Loomis Vilma and Hargrove and whoever else, and wish them to be buried in the Saints Hall Of Shame....

That just 100% never happened in this case, from the very beginning.

I have buried many Saints players in my personal "Hall of Shame" before...I have punted Russell Erxleben, I've saluted Aaron Brooks' backwards pass, I remember the dudes who did cocaine.....Ditka...your list may have more or other different names there....doesn't matter.

But to ME, this whole thing exposed the hypocrisy, the executive commissioner out of control, the flaws in the structure, and it soured me on the league, the executive leadership, the media, the fans of other teams, the refs, and basically EVERYONE IN THE WORLD that isn't a Saints fan.


I'll never view the sport the same way again.
Ditto Bro. Couldn't have said it better myself. You said what I have been feeling all along. A lot of people say it's time to move on. Well to some degree that is true. But these were some serious accusations levied against our team, coaches, players, and organization without out as much as a solid shred of evidence to back up the seriousness of these charges. Like you, until I SEE this so-called evidence I refuse to believe that any member of this team or coaching staff participated in something as heinous as paying each other to injure opposing players. If such evidence is produced to backup these allegations then I will have a lot of lost respect for the current staff and players of this team. As of right now, I solidly stand behind these guys 110% and I hope Vilma fights goodell until the bitter end.
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Old 01-01-2013, 07:11 PM   #20
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I'm STILL waiting to see the real evidence. I'm still wanting to know the timeline of what this was really about. From who, what, where, when this really started.

Did it start with Childress complaining to Goodell, whose daughter is a Vikings fan (!), and did Childress name Jimmy Kennedy as his "source," because he knew of his connection to Hargrove, even though Kennedy never said so? Did Zyg Wylf, who desperately needed the NFL's help with a new stadium, complain to Goodell about it too? Where did this all COME FROM?

I said this way back at the beginning -- I have an enormous amount of emotion and energy invested in these guys and the team, as a fan...But as a reasonable, rational person, knowing what I know about the players, their coaches and their character, I REFUSE to throw them under the bus, just based on allegations or hearsay or things that don't pass the "smell test" but make good headlines....

I know people who occasionally do bad stuff -- friends, acquaintances, people I know, maybe someone close, or there's a family argument -- and in those cases I weigh it and evaluate and hear what people say, I weigh everything I hear from all sides of the argument and I decide each case on its merits ...

That never really happened in this case....we didn't get the chance to do that, as fans of the team, to weigh things and decide based on evidence....

Like a lot of Saints fans, I'm perfectly reasonable as a human being -- if someone shows me evidence that proves their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and shows an even hand of equitable punishment for all teams across the board, that you can TRUST the decision of the person in charge, well I will GLADLY throw these guys under the bus, Payton and Loomis Vilma and Hargrove and whoever else, and wish them to be buried in the Saints Hall Of Shame....

That just 100% never happened in this case, from the very beginning.

I have buried many Saints players in my personal "Hall of Shame" before...I have punted Russell Erxleben, I've saluted Aaron Brooks' backwards pass, I remember the dudes who did cocaine.....Ditka...your list may have more or other different names there....doesn't matter.

But to ME, this whole thing exposed the hypocrisy, the executive commissioner out of control, the flaws in the structure, and it soured me on the league, the executive leadership, the media, the fans of other teams, the refs, and basically EVERYONE IN THE WORLD that isn't a Saints fan.


I'll never view the sport the same way again.
That pretty much sums it up - about as well put as it could be.
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