Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

Read this, an unnamed saint player had gone on record saying all the defensive players were just being media friendly when asked about spags D, they really he is a control freak and has zero desire to make adjustments in the second half

NOLA.com: Baton Rouge : New Orleans Saints player: Steve Spagnuolo should be fired as defensive coordinator

Sounds like more people want him gone - the players

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

This definitely ain't us.....

I'll quote Herm Edwards, put your name on it!!!!

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

Right away I wonder if this really is one guy being pissed because he got less playing time under Spags then GW or something like that. Because then its easy to throw the "no one likes" around, especially being anonymous.

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Oh, great.. now we're trying to be like the jets. Are you f***ing kidding me? Whoever this was, regardless of how much truth there is to it, needs to shut his f***ing mouth. This is not the way our organization does things... Sorry, s**t like this really pisses me off

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I don't think you can say "it was all spags" when the db's forgot how to tackle or when Patrick Robinson embarrassed himself trying to cover every wide out in the league. Most of these players where awful under Williams too, it wasn't a drastic change, the only difference this season was Payton wasn't horse whipping the offense into putting 40 points up per game and the defense was exceptionally bad.

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That article is about as gutless as you can get too.

Not good talking like that in public about a team member. No matter if it is right or wrong. This should be handled in-house

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

Either say it publicly or keep your mouth shut.
Sounds to me like a player that hasnt performed or knows he will be gone as he cant make the adjustment.

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

So it could have come from the entire defense? :p

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

I've had about enough of 'unnamed sources' this season, :rolleyes:.

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

If you don't have the testicular fortitude to say what you have to say publicly and not hide behind anonymity you need to keep your mouth shut.

Anonymously speaking out to the press is a sign of cowardice, and one cowards opinion is not something that should hold any water with anyone.

The fact of the matter is that we as fans have watched 16 regular season games and 4 preseason games this season. Very few times did i see anyone say they were running the wrong scheme.

90% of the time a player or players were identified as just flat out playing like crap.


This is someone who is probably going to get cut or traded being disgruntled.

When someone like Vilma or Lofton comes out and says this, then I will take notice.

This "player" probably has less than 2-3 years in the league because he does not understand you cant fix or break something in just one season.

There are some abysmal Defensive coordinators out there with mediocre talent playing better than we did. Talent is talent.

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

Lets get Lovie Smith

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... or an 'unnamed' defensive coordinator to go along with our 'unnamed' defensive player who speaks for the entire unit, :rolleyes:.

To me, writers lose ALL credibility unless they can name their source. Otherwise, this "report" is just a bunch of bull shiite muslim.

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

Uhhh, say what?

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

Its probably Shanle....he has the motive. Dude has been an healthy scratch for half the season. Has been the worst LB we've had for years but was untouchable when GW was here and he's always been Vitt's guy as well who was too busy being HC this season to pretty much assure he would start at LB all season.

Spags comes along and does something no one on that defensive staff had the smarts or guts to do for years....sit him on the bench. He's guarenteed to be let go this offseason. And I doubt he's happy about that.

So yeah.....thats who I expect did it...

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

Let's start a "Poll" on who we think it is!!! LOL

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

"Unnamed" is "Not Me's" brother and "Nobody's" first cousin!! Sorry to say I've met them many times!

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

Another Mike Cerullo!

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We should start a new thread and about this and change the headline to "No one likes anonymous player or his opinion".

Who gives a damn what some fool behind the curtain has to say? What a joke. I've got a few guys who I suspect, but I'll reserve my thoughts until I know for sure. Something certain people in the NFL should learn how to do.

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

If you don't have the balls to identify yourself then you should STFU!

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Usually where there is smoke there's fire, stats don't lie. I've been saying this all year he's not a good defensive coordinator, he had 1 team tat excelled and that was the Giants, but they were loaded with talent from top to bottom.
Do I agree with a someone coming-out and not putting their name on it "NO", but nevertheless it could be true.

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

I'm sure it's just venting from one of the Defensive players who knows he will not be in a Saint uniform next year. This has no merit.

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

Damn why couldn't the Bears fire Lovie LAST year

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I just want to know why some feel like there is no accountability for the players. Spags, hell all the coaches have done their job and fallen on the sword for all the mistakes this season. Its not like their running from it. But when you have players (who likely suck anyway) that want to come out of the wood work when they don't get their way...its fire the coach.


Whether they feel that way as a whole or not I say screw that. Suck it up and get better next year when all the dead weight is cut and you actually have a coach and a full offseason with no drama. Its funny how the YOUNG talent on this team that was an afterthought in GW system seems to be flourishing under Spags. Especially guys on the line like Jordan, Tom Johnson, Gallete (before he got hurt and played well when he came back).... The guy that is so called "speaking for everyone in the lockeroom" is guarenteed to be one of those guys that got exposed for how bad they really are. It was easy to get away with not having talent when GW was here because all he did was blitz....any Defensive player is gonna want to keep the system where that had to THINK the least.

Spags system is based of fundamentals, high IQ, and talent....and it is clear that most of this team lacks one or two of the most important qualities in this scheme.

And does anyone think that maybe just maybe...SP, Benson, & Loomis are tired of taking the easy way out when it comes to the defense. Maybe they want Spags there to TEACH their players. U know so we can have a decent to good defense for more than one year. Because thats all you had with GW and thats all he ever was anywhere else...a one hit wonder that declined massively after one season. Then all of a sudden you see that players were riding off emotion not reality and never saw it because the offense scored enought to cover the holes.

GW didn't TEACH those guys anything but to run as fast as you can to hit the QB and strip the ball nothing else. He brainwashed them....yes we gave up an historically large amount of yards this season but these, IMO, are the same guys that blatantly lost us 2 playoff games when we needed them the most. Its just less obvious now because the offense/ and our HC wasn't there put up 40 a game and hide just how bad they were. Spags may not have gotten that one hit wonder result but you can't deny you didn't see the steady improvement.

Isn't that the goal....to build a team on BOTH sides of the ball to be more balanced....its obvious that Loomis & SP wanted to take that route since they knew that they & Brees were going to be staying for a long time. We cannot rely on this offense to carry us for the next 5-7 yrs there is too much turnover.

Spags should get at the very least another year IMO.

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

Yeah, no bueno here. NOT cool.

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

More on the same subject. The comments from Rams fans is interesting.

One Saints player isn’t on board with Steve Spagnuolo | ProFootballTalk

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

Well....Vilma's response via twitter:

@JonVilma51
"@LarryHolder:Saints player: Steve Spagnuolo should be fired...."dont give me "anonymous source" bs

@JonVilma51
"@LarryHolder:Saints player: Steve Spagnuolo should be fired …" say who said it


Well we know the actually leader of our D is not happy about this....

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

Precisely:

Fundamentals - Judging from how we tackle, the players have forgotten those with the exception of only a few.

High IQ - Ive only seen a few that could possibly fall into this area.

Talent - See reply for High IQ.

I am of the opinion that ANY coach coming to a defense that doesn't have tackling fundamentals, IQ enough to understand and execute a plan, and enough talent to stop basic offenses will fall on his face. We do not have a coaching problem on defense we have a player problem....

Football is a team sport, TEAM. More so than any other sport, just one exploitable player can make a defense look bad. From the looks of things and most people being able to identify 40% of our links being weak Spags didn't have a chance this season.


Argue Spags in NY all you like, blame coaching all you like... The Dome Patrol didn't have an epic defensive coordinator. Actually the epic Dome Patrol wasn't a full defense... It was 4 very talented players..

Imagine Jackson, Mills, Johnson, and Swilling with Spags as a coach. When the Dome Patrol is mentioned or talked about in the news who the D-coordinator is never mentioned. Most dont even know who it was.


When was the last time we saw tackling like this? It wasn't the coach.
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Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

For What's it's Worth....

I heard from an unknown source that did not want to be identified that SaintFan did not have personal relations with Zoey. :broccoli:

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

This person has already been 'delt 'wit.

http://blackandgold.com/attachment.p...9&d=1357142090

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Reading the comments on that article really p***ed me off. All the smart a** comments about our defense sucking because we couldn't use bounties anymore... What a truck load of BS.

Have any of these numbskulls noticed that the player suspensions were overturned? Have any of them seen any evidence that there were any bounties at all, yet? Where were all the cheap shots and injuries we should have been seeing? Anybody? Anyone at all?

That's what I thought.

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

Dude honestly....there's no point even wasting time thinking or getting mad at idiots like that.


But on a side note...."unnnamed source" reports like this are the reason for lockeroom dissent. Its hard for leaders to police their team, sit down and talk about it when...

1. you don't know who it is that is supposedly "speaking for everyone"

2. now that its a national story...even if the team has a sit down to hash it out....the player IS NOT going to step up and expose themselves.


You see Vilma has already posted on twitter that he is unhappy about this and wants to know who it is....it just causes a lot of needless tension among the players and hassle from the media that we DO NOT need this offseason.

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

Is signing off as 'iced107' and 'deathmonkey41' the same as being 'anonymous'?

Sean? Is that you? ... :lol:.

The comment from the player that makes me laugh is "It can't just be the talent".
The missed tackles that cost us more than anything are on the players.No excuses for not wrapping up a player.
Far too often missed tackles caused massive yards to be given up in the run.

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

This is my whole point....its not like the same problems weren't constant when Spags wasnt here. Maybe you don't like him, "mr. unnamed source" because you couldn't do one of the top 3 fundamental things a defensive player has be taught since pop warner and therefore he did something GW didn't do....he sat your a** on the bench and put someone out there that was at least slightly better at doing that than you were.

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I know they aren't worth the time and energy, but I tend to have an allergic reaction to morons. I just can't believe people can be so stupid. It's one thing when people say things I don't agree with, but some people just secrete stupidity out of every part of their body.

As for the player, I've given my thoughts on him, and I agree with you. But I'm not personally worried about how it will effect the team. I think the player will eventually surface from internal pressure. It was definitely a stupid move by Larry Holder to report this, though. It's just another negative for people in the media to talk about.

Re: Anonymous saint player - "No one likes spags or he is Defense"
 

You're right in part by saying it wasn't the coach because it was 4 coaches that put it together 2 of which are still putting great defenses out there. Sidwell was the DC but Vic Fangio (now with 49ers) and Dom Capers now with Green Bay all contributed in making the dome patrol with help from Mora who brought in USFL talent with Mills and Johnson and you had Wade Phillips from the previous staff that drafted Rickey Jackson so I guess you could 3 ex Saints coaches still getting it done with defenses. Coaches teach and players play and you need both to be successful.

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Sounds like the media knows the Bounty gate is just about ran its course...
So they still use the same team just a different tactic....

This all media driven and Herm is right. Put your name to it or this ain't sh*t