Saints Coaching Issues Continue?

Vrillon82 · 01-04-2013, 12:26 AM

I can tell you this, even though the Saints started out 0-4 under Aaron Kromer, I firmly believe he was the better coach out of him and Vitt, if Carmichael was the one calling the plays, he was too conservative once the team had a 14 pt lead or more.

my rankings:

#1 Kromer
#2 Vitt
#3 Carmichael

But I can tell you this, I wont be disappointed in seeing either Kromer or Carmichael leave. Carmichael leaving changes nothing, Kromer was the O-line coach and since this is also an offensive side coach, it will affect nothing with Sean Payton coming back.

Crusader · 01-04-2013, 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by Vrillon82

But I can tell you this, I wont be disappointed in seeing either Kromer or Carmichael leave. Carmichael leaving changes nothing, Kromer was the O-line coach and since this is also an offensive side coach, it will affect nothing with Sean Payton coming back.

You mean just like Curtis Johnson leaving to coach tulane didn't affect nothing with the WRs who all of a sudden lead the leauge in drops?

FinSaint · 01-04-2013, 03:38 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

You mean just like Curtis Johnson leaving to coach tulane didn't affect nothing with the WRs who all of a sudden lead the leauge in drops?

True, or how after Allen left to Denver the secondary has seen a drastic decline.

Anyway, I hope Kromer doesn't go anywhere, because I do think he is probably one of the best O-line coaches in the league at the moment, and I don't think he has what it takes to be a HC... probably not even an OC.

If it's only a lateral move for either one of them, like the article suggests might be the case, I don't see either one going to another team unless the Saints don't offer them new contracts or if there's some bad-blood we're not aware of.

Crusader · 01-04-2013, 04:00 AM

I really like Kromer. He gets the most possible out of Bushrod and Strief imho. Also look how de la Puente has developed since he joined us, he'll be a prowbowler in a year or two.

stickman · 01-04-2013, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

The same can be said for Kromer, who has helped build the Saints offensive line into one of the league’s best, especially along the interior. He’s also arguably gotten more out of mediocre talent at offensive tackle than any other line coach in the league. Barring a coordinator position opening up (extremely unlikely) there’s no reason for Kromer to leave the Saints either.

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This sums up why I'd hate to lose Kromer.

burningmetal · 01-04-2013, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

You mean just like Curtis Johnson leaving to coach tulane didn't affect nothing with the WRs who all of a sudden lead the leauge in drops?

I can't deny the drop off after Curtis Johnson's departure, but for the guys who have been here for a long time (they all have), I find it hard to believe that they suddenly forgot how to catch. You can't blame that on a coach not being there. It was a lack of focus, just like every other facet of this team, this season.

And our offensive line wasn't exactly the bees knees this year, either. So in closing, I don't care what our assistant coaches do. They operated a team without it's head coach, and it looked exactly like a team without it's head coach. That shows me that none of these assistants are essential to the teams' success. Payton Is.

Danno · 01-04-2013, 07:55 AM

Curtis Johnson was here in 2010 and our receivers had the same issues.

He's a great WR coach, but i'm not buying he's the main reason for our drops.

A Sean Payton boot placed firmly upon backside is what the main problem is.

Budsdrinker · 01-04-2013, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Curtis Johnson was here in 2010 and our receivers had the same issues.

He's a great WR coach, but i'm not buying he's the main reason for our drops.

A Sean Payton boot placed firmly upon backside is what the main problem is.

If you review all the drops this year, 95% was because the receivers took their eye off of the ball and looked up-field before they caught it. Totally agree with you a Payton foot would have helped!

TheOak · 01-04-2013, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

If you review all the drops this year, 95% was because the receivers took their eye off of the ball and looked up-field before they caught it. Totally agree with you a Payton foot would have helped!

Not sure I would go 95% on that one.... Ive watched Jimmy Graham eye them right into his hands and then onto the turf. I have also watched Sproles do the same exact thing... watch them right into his hands.

SloMotion · 01-04-2013, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Curtis Johnson was here in 2010 and our receivers had the same issues.

He's a great WR coach, but i'm not buying he's the main reason for our drops.

A Sean Payton boot placed firmly upon backside is what the main problem is.

I'm not all that familiar with the position coaches but I'm thinking any coaching issues are trickle-down-affect from the one big coaching issue we had this season.

For all that went on this season, I kinda' just want to sit back and see if it corrects itself when Payton gets back. If it doesn't, than start lopping off heads.

01-04-2013, 12:26 AM	#11
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Saints Coaching Issues Continue? I can tell you this, even though the Saints started out 0-4 under Aaron Kromer, I firmly believe he was the better coach out of him and Vitt, if Carmichael was the one calling the plays, he was too conservative once the team had a 14 pt lead or more. my rankings: #1 Kromer #2 Vitt #3 Carmichael But I can tell you this, I wont be disappointed in seeing either Kromer or Carmichael leave. Carmichael leaving changes nothing, Kromer was the O-line coach and since this is also an offensive side coach, it will affect nothing with Sean Payton coming back.
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01-04-2013, 01:15 AM	#12
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 7,985	Re: Saints Coaching Issues Continue? Originally Posted by Vrillon82 But I can tell you this, I wont be disappointed in seeing either Kromer or Carmichael leave. Carmichael leaving changes nothing, Kromer was the O-line coach and since this is also an offensive side coach, it will affect nothing with Sean Payton coming back. You mean just like Curtis Johnson leaving to coach tulane didn't affect nothing with the WRs who all of a sudden lead the leauge in drops? WhoDat!656 and FinSaint like this.

01-04-2013, 03:38 AM	#13
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,955	Re: Saints Coaching Issues Continue? Originally Posted by Crusader You mean just like Curtis Johnson leaving to coach tulane didn't affect nothing with the WRs who all of a sudden lead the leauge in drops? True, or how after Allen left to Denver the secondary has seen a drastic decline. Anyway, I hope Kromer doesn't go anywhere, because I do think he is probably one of the best O-line coaches in the league at the moment, and I don't think he has what it takes to be a HC... probably not even an OC. If it's only a lateral move for either one of them, like the article suggests might be the case, I don't see either one going to another team unless the Saints don't offer them new contracts or if there's some bad-blood we're not aware of.
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01-04-2013, 04:00 AM	#14
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 7,985	Re: Saints Coaching Issues Continue? I really like Kromer. He gets the most possible out of Bushrod and Strief imho. Also look how de la Puente has developed since he joined us, he'll be a prowbowler in a year or two. stickman likes this.

01-04-2013, 06:24 AM	#15
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,597	Re: Saints Coaching Issues Continue? Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 The same can be said for Kromer, who has helped build the Saints offensive line into one of the league’s best, especially along the interior. He’s also arguably gotten more out of mediocre talent at offensive tackle than any other line coach in the league. Barring a coordinator position opening up (extremely unlikely) there’s no reason for Kromer to leave the Saints either. Saints Coaching Issues Continue? \| Third Down Conversion This sums up why I'd hate to lose Kromer.

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01-04-2013, 06:54 AM	#16
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,905 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Coaching Issues Continue? Originally Posted by Crusader You mean just like Curtis Johnson leaving to coach tulane didn't affect nothing with the WRs who all of a sudden lead the leauge in drops? I can't deny the drop off after Curtis Johnson's departure, but for the guys who have been here for a long time (they all have), I find it hard to believe that they suddenly forgot how to catch. You can't blame that on a coach not being there. It was a lack of focus, just like every other facet of this team, this season. And our offensive line wasn't exactly the bees knees this year, either. So in closing, I don't care what our assistant coaches do. They operated a team without it's head coach, and it looked exactly like a team without it's head coach. That shows me that none of these assistants are essential to the teams' success. Payton Is.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-04-2013, 07:55 AM	#17
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Saints Coaching Issues Continue? Curtis Johnson was here in 2010 and our receivers had the same issues. He's a great WR coach, but i'm not buying he's the main reason for our drops. A Sean Payton boot placed firmly upon backside is what the main problem is. Budsdrinker and SloMotion like this.

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Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Saints Coaching Issues Continue? Originally Posted by Danno Curtis Johnson was here in 2010 and our receivers had the same issues. He's a great WR coach, but i'm not buying he's the main reason for our drops. A Sean Payton boot placed firmly upon backside is what the main problem is. If you review all the drops this year, 95% was because the receivers took their eye off of the ball and looked up-field before they caught it. Totally agree with you a Payton foot would have helped!

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Saints Coaching Issues Continue? Originally Posted by Budsdrinker If you review all the drops this year, 95% was because the receivers took their eye off of the ball and looked up-field before they caught it. Totally agree with you a Payton foot would have helped! Not sure I would go 95% on that one.... Ive watched Jimmy Graham eye them right into his hands and then onto the turf. I have also watched Sproles do the same exact thing... watch them right into his hands.

01-04-2013, 11:59 AM	#20
SloMotion 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 6,776 Blog Entries: 15	Re: Saints Coaching Issues Continue? Originally Posted by Danno Curtis Johnson was here in 2010 and our receivers had the same issues. He's a great WR coach, but i'm not buying he's the main reason for our drops. A Sean Payton boot placed firmly upon backside is what the main problem is. I'm not all that familiar with the position coaches but I'm thinking any coaching issues are trickle-down-affect from the one big coaching issue we had this season. For all that went on this season, I kinda' just want to sit back and see if it corrects itself when Payton gets back. If it doesn't, than start lopping off heads. Danno likes this.

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