Saints Coaching Issues Continue?
 

New Orleans Saints head coach Sean Payton may soon be back in the Big Easy, but what about two of his most trusted assistants? According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, both offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael Jr. and offensive line coach (and previous interim head coach) Aaron Kromer saw their contracts expire at the conclusion of this season. In other words, they are free agents on the coaching market.

Both coaches have seen interest in their services peak in the last year or two. Carmichael was granted permission to interview for the Colts job last year, and has already been linked to this year’s open Bears job. Kromer on the other hand was recently a finalist for the Boston College head coaching vacancy.

Obviously either man would leave their current roles — with or without a contract — if they could land an NFL head coaching job or upper-level college job. But what if they don’t? Could Carmichael become another team’s offensive coordinator? What about Kromer moving on to another team as a highly respected offensive line coach? The odds, in TDC’s view, are slim.

Carmichael would be foolish to leave the Saints if a head coaching job isn’t waiting on the other side. He’s proven the offense can operate without Sean Payton around, and has perhaps the league’s best quarterback to make him look good for another year. Moving laterally to another coordinator position seems counterproductive. The same can be said for Kromer, who has helped build the Saints offensive line into one of the league’s best, especially along the interior. He’s also arguably gotten more out of mediocre talent at offensive tackle than any other line coach in the league. Barring a coordinator position opening up (extremely unlikely) there’s no reason for Kromer to leave the Saints either.

Schefter is right in that both coaches are technically free agents. But barring a head coaching job being offered or some underlying, unknown friction in New Orleans, there’s no reason not to expect both coaches back on the Saints staff next season.

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What? No mention of McMahon leaving for greener pastures?????:roll:

Report: Contracts of New Orleans Saints assistants Pete Carmichael, Aaron Kromer have expired
 

The contracts of two of the most valued members of the New Orleans Saints' coaching staff have expired, making offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael and offensive line coach/running game coordinator Aaron Kromer coaching free agents, according to a Twitter report by ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Schefter said the coaches' contracts expired at the end of the season. NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune is still trying to confirm the report.

Read more: Report: Contracts of New Orleans Saints assistants Pete Carmichael, Aaron Kromer have expired | NOLA.com

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Kromer we should keep .... Carmichael can find greener pastures.

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Carmichael hasn't shown me anything during Payton's suspension.

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I totally agree.:broccoli:

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The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!! It's red and white and looks like a great bit Tylenol!!!

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I think he might have some of those incriminating photos as well... ;-)

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I wasn't that impressed with the line play this year...

The offense with the exception of two games was as predictable as during the Mora years...

I personally had issues with sending smaller receivers like Lance Moore for the over the middle/high passes usually reserved for Colston, Graham...

Some plays like that and the bubble route seem like more risk than the gain they afford...

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I don't think it matters if either leave. Just think, SP has had an entire year o just sit around and analyze new schemes. If I was any other team in the NFC I would be horrified to think of what SP has cooked up in his shop of horrors.

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I can tell you this, even though the Saints started out 0-4 under Aaron Kromer, I firmly believe he was the better coach out of him and Vitt, if Carmichael was the one calling the plays, he was too conservative once the team had a 14 pt lead or more.

my rankings:

#1 Kromer
#2 Vitt
#3 Carmichael

But I can tell you this, I wont be disappointed in seeing either Kromer or Carmichael leave. Carmichael leaving changes nothing, Kromer was the O-line coach and since this is also an offensive side coach, it will affect nothing with Sean Payton coming back.

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You mean just like Curtis Johnson leaving to coach tulane didn't affect nothing with the WRs who all of a sudden lead the leauge in drops?

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True, or how after Allen left to Denver the secondary has seen a drastic decline.

Anyway, I hope Kromer doesn't go anywhere, because I do think he is probably one of the best O-line coaches in the league at the moment, and I don't think he has what it takes to be a HC... probably not even an OC.

If it's only a lateral move for either one of them, like the article suggests might be the case, I don't see either one going to another team unless the Saints don't offer them new contracts or if there's some bad-blood we're not aware of.

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I really like Kromer. He gets the most possible out of Bushrod and Strief imho. Also look how de la Puente has developed since he joined us, he'll be a prowbowler in a year or two.

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This sums up why I'd hate to lose Kromer.

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I can't deny the drop off after Curtis Johnson's departure, but for the guys who have been here for a long time (they all have), I find it hard to believe that they suddenly forgot how to catch. You can't blame that on a coach not being there. It was a lack of focus, just like every other facet of this team, this season.

And our offensive line wasn't exactly the bees knees this year, either. So in closing, I don't care what our assistant coaches do. They operated a team without it's head coach, and it looked exactly like a team without it's head coach. That shows me that none of these assistants are essential to the teams' success. Payton Is.

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Curtis Johnson was here in 2010 and our receivers had the same issues.

He's a great WR coach, but i'm not buying he's the main reason for our drops.

A Sean Payton boot placed firmly upon backside is what the main problem is.

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If you review all the drops this year, 95% was because the receivers took their eye off of the ball and looked up-field before they caught it. Totally agree with you a Payton foot would have helped!

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Not sure I would go 95% on that one.... Ive watched Jimmy Graham eye them right into his hands and then onto the turf. I have also watched Sproles do the same exact thing... watch them right into his hands.

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I'm not all that familiar with the position coaches but I'm thinking any coaching issues are trickle-down-affect from the one big coaching issue we had this season.

For all that went on this season, I kinda' just want to sit back and see if it corrects itself when Payton gets back. If it doesn't, than start lopping off heads.

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Let them go, Pete's job is about to taken back over by Sean so he's really only offensive play caller by title, we all know that Sean has final say in what plays are called with suggestions by Pete besides he had his chance to show what he could do with Sean gone this season and IMO, I wasn't all the impressed, the offense was predictable by formation groups and that kill shot that Sean would call seemed to rarely show up

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Damn!:brood:

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If Pete carmicheal leave I'm appling for his clip board holder job

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Ya can't blame someone for wanting to advance...I think they are expendable.

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Yeah a smart coach would know not to take a job he'd truly have no control over. The bears are defensive oriented. Jay curler doesn't play well with other. I don't blame him for wanton to advance but I think it's a loosing battle there

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With payton back we will go back to timing routes and keep brees a lot cleaner. The dog that bites is back.

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With SP back everything else will fall in place.

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Things dont fall into place.

Sean will have to fix things intentionally. Some of our holes are not fixable my Sean Payton... Loomis will have to fix them.

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I heard the Browns are interviewing Spags....

Reference ?

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Yeah, I couldn't find this mentioned anywhere online, and they'd have to approach the Saints first because he is under contract, right?!

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Yes they would.

Spagnuolo did interview with the Browns... in 2008


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