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WhoDat!656 01-04-2013 09:25 PM

Grades for every New Orleans Saints player based on 2013 value
 
The following report card that I produced is more of an overall view of where each player measures up today, in 2013, compared to everyone else at his position in the NFL.

Grades for every New Orleans Saints player based on 2013 value | NOLA.com

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Some of these grades are whack!! Graham gets an A and Lance Moore gets a B-? WTFO!!

Boutte 01-04-2013 09:33 PM

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Pretty good. I'd argue that he was a little easy on our safeties and Cbs.

Utah_Saint 01-04-2013 09:35 PM

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I think Triplett is far too generous with his grades. You could make an argument for any individual player for any individual grade on his list but overall, the grades are too high for a team with a losing record and that had the worst defense in the history of the NFL. Some guys just flat out failed.

westbankdaze 01-04-2013 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 470308)
Some of these grades are whack!! Graham gets an A and Lance Moore gets a B-? WTFO!!

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Click here for our New Orleans Saints coverage team's grades for every player's 2012 performance. We based those grades on how each player measured up against our expectations for him in his specific role.

The following report card that I produced is more of an overall view of where each player measures up today, in 2013, compared to everyone else at his position in the NFL.

Grades for every New Orleans Saints player based on 2013 value | NOLA.com

Pro football focus graded Harper out as the second worst safety in the NFL.

lumm0x 01-04-2013 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by westbankdaze (Post 470314)
Pro football focus graded Harper out as the second worst safety in the NFL.

Why did they rate Malcolm Jenkins worse?

Boutte 01-04-2013 09:41 PM

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True Utah Saint. A couple of Fs were definitely earned. Colston dropped way too many passes to grade an A. Same for Graham. Moore should have been our highest graded receiver.

Utah_Saint 01-04-2013 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Boutte (Post 470316)
True Utah Saint. A couple of Fs were definitely earned. Colston dropped way too many passes to grade an A. Same for Graham. Moore should have been our highest graded receiver.

Yep, those same ones caught my eye too.

Graham led the league in dropped passes and got an A?

And in general on defense...

32nd in yards allowed rushing and 31st in yards allowed passing and not one starter gets below a C-?

Boutte 01-04-2013 09:52 PM

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Reading the comments, a lot of people are saying the same things we are. Tripplet explains that this is how he grades these players as he thinks they compare going into 2013. In other they are projections not grades for 2012.

Utah_Saint 01-04-2013 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by lumm0x (Post 470315)
Why did they rate Malcolm Jenkins worse?

Yep. Harper is rated 167 and Jenkins 168 out of 168.

As a frame of reference, that would mean every team in the NFL has 5 safetys that played better than Harper and Jenkins.

Utah_Saint 01-04-2013 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Boutte (Post 470319)
Reading the comments, a lot of people are saying the same things we are. Tripplet explains that this is how he grades these players as he thinks they compare going into 2013. In other they are projections not grades for 2012.

I see that now but I still have the same thoughts in general, the grades are too high. How can a team full of guys that deserve to be starters in the NFL set records for futility? I would think, it would be obvious that to set those kind of marks, you must have SOME guys that don't deserve to be there.

Unless he's blaming everything on the defensive schemes.

Danno 01-04-2013 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 470325)
Yep. Harper is rated 167 and Jenkins 168 out of 168.

As a frame of reference, that would mean every team in the NFL has 5 safetys that played better than Harper and Jenkins.

And every team has 4 or 5 players that play better than these guys too
Lofton (104th MLB),
Vilma (100th OLB),
Ellis (118th DT),
Hawthorne (102nd OLB),
Greer (118th CB),
Robinson (193rd CB)

TreyThomas 01-04-2013 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 470328)
And every team has 4 or 5 players that play better than these guys too
Lofton (104th MLB),
Vilma (100th OLB),
Ellis (118th DT),
Hawthorne (102nd OLB),
Greer (118th CB),
Robinson (193rd CB)

Damn, this hurts more and more every time I read it.

TheEnigma 01-04-2013 11:12 PM

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Sedrick Eillis and Patrick Robinson should not have C's. They should have an F-

Utah_Saint 01-05-2013 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 470328)
And every team has 4 or 5 players that play better than these guys too
Lofton (104th MLB),
Vilma (100th OLB),
Ellis (118th DT),
Hawthorne (102nd OLB),
Greer (118th CB),
Robinson (193rd CB)

Yep, it's pretty amazing how bad these guys played. Dallas had 7 inside line backers grade out better than Lofton did. And we all thought Lofton was pretty good.

Marlboro Man 01-05-2013 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by lumm0x (Post 470315)
Why did they rate Malcolm Jenkins worse?

Worse that what? or who? Harper? Except for that one play, you'd almost be able to say that Malcolm Jenkins didn't even play this year. :broccoli:

xan 01-05-2013 11:24 AM

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what the hell is this article about? am I missing something, like, reality?

Value based on 2013 performance? By this logic, I should be President of the world and #1 porn actor of all time in 2013.

Danno 01-05-2013 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by xan (Post 470423)
what the hell is this article about? am I missing something, like, reality?

Value based on 2013 performance? By this logic, I should be President of the world and #1 porn actor of all time in 2013.

It is quite a perplexing title.

I guess he's grading their 2013 value based on past performances and how he projects they'll perform next year in this same system under the same coaches.

Its a complicated process that involves the difficult maneuver of typing while simultaneously pulling crap out of one's own ass.

UK_WhoDat 01-05-2013 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Boutte (Post 470316)
... Colston dropped way too many passes to grade an A. Same for Graham. Moore should have been our highest graded receiver.

Tru Dat

Rugby Saint II 01-05-2013 02:38 PM

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It is very difficult to grade everyone on the team adequately. I don't have access to the individual rankings(thanks again to those members that post that type of info here). These columnists have much more insider info that I don't get. Triplett has access to enough info to make an intelligent call.
In short His grades were decent based on his grading scale. I'll give him a B-minus. :razz:

Here's another thought........Drew is not a mobile QB like Rodgers. If our entire line were to tank a C minus or if our receivers couldn't get open would Drew still get an A? I doubt it!
It's all a team game and what your team mates do reflects on you. Like it or not. That includes coaching.
Remember these grades are based on how these individuals would rate compared to the other players in the league if they were being evaluated by another team to target. They are not based on this seasons play. The comments at the bottom of the column were educational and informative.

LBCutta 01-05-2013 04:33 PM

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Graham gets an A and damn near led the league in drops...lol

papz 01-05-2013 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 470325)
Yep. Harper is rated 167 and Jenkins 168 out of 168.

As a frame of reference, that would mean every team in the NFL has 5 safetys that played better than Harper and Jenkins.

It's sad that found this hilarious.

Now while PFF player ratings seem to be the cream of the crop rating system these days, we still have to remember it's still subjective. We do not have the luxury of knowing the exact play call and the exact responsibility of each player on every play. Another player's ineffectiveness could greatly affect another player's rating w/o knowing any of this. Did they play bad, yes of course... we all know that. But the incompetence of the players in front of them definitely played a enormous role in Harper/Jenkins rating.

They're hardly as bad as where they are ranked.

QBREES9 01-05-2013 07:34 PM

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