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Old 01-05-2013, 12:11 AM   #1
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Comparing Joe Vitt to Sean Payton

ut of all the consequences the Saints had to face following Bountygate, it is generally agreed upon that the absence of Sean Payton for the entire season was the harshest and the primary reason why the Saints did not make the playoffs.

Of course, interim coach Joe Vitt had to serve a six-game suspension himself in which the Saints started off 0-4 in his absence. When Vitt finally took the helm, the Saints' record for the remainder of the season was 5-5. Not exactly living up to fans expectations under the Sean Payton era but still decent.

Despite breaking even under Vitt's leadership, the Saints still displayed many of the same inconsistencies that were present during their dismal 0-4 start. Regardless if it was during the interim coaching tenures of Vitt or Aaron Kromer, the general conclusion seems to be that the biggest reason for their poor performance was that Payton was not there to hold them accountable.

I don't know about you all, but Vitt seems to be more of a hard ass, old-school coach than Payton. If I was a Saints player, I would much rather get a tongue lashing from Payton than Vitt. The implication that the Saints players did not feel required to hold themselves accountable under Vitt, just seems contradictory to the no-nonsense image that Vitt projects.

Granted, Vitt does not have the creative play calling skills of Payton, but when it comes to instilling team discipline, it does not seem there would be a shortcoming under Vitt in that department. On the contrary, during this past week I saw pictures posted of Payton strumming a guitar on stage with Better than Ezra during a New Year's Eve concert. It reminded me of pictures I saw earlier in the fall of Payton joining Jimmy Buffett on stage and playing the drums. For whatever reason, becoming a Parrothead and jamming to "Margaritaville" seems like it would hurt your intimidation credibility while pushing players during the rigors of training camp and into the season.

Yet, you can't argue with the excellent results the Saints have had under Payton in what has been the most successful run in the franchise's history. So, just why is Joe Vitt considered an inferior coach to Sean Payton? Is he truly "softer" than Payton, or just lack his organizational, management and creative skills?

Had Vitt gone through a full season as interim coach, would the Saints be in the playoff today? If Payton would have never been suspended, thus enabling Vitt to fully devote himself to the linebacking corps, would the Saints defense have been as awful?

The 2012 nightmare season has now ended and we will never know the answers to these "what if" questions.

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Re: Comparing Joe Vitt to Sean Payton

No comparison. It's the good coach/bad coach routine. Sean is the benevolent but stern, fatherly H/C, while Vitt is one of the subordinates that enforces Payton's discipline. The reason the players may not have felt required to hold themselves accountable under Vitt was that Payton simply was not present.

Once Sean gets back the team will be back to normal and no worse for wear.
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Re: Comparing Joe Vitt to Sean Payton

I miss the SP that used to bop Jamaal Brown upside the head for lining up too deep. Or dropping F-bombs for going three and out. I doubt he's become a "benevolent father figure" type though. One stink eye from Payton is worth a tongue lashing from Joe Vitt. Sean don't take no crap.!
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Re: Comparing Joe Vitt to Sean Payton

Why is there even a comparison at all. This makes no sense to even compare them.
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Re: Comparing Joe Vitt to Sean Payton

30 years as an assistant. Tells you all you need to know.
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There is no comparison. I reckon we all knew that coming in.
Heck we might have squeezed in on tiebreaker 11 or 12, but really it mattered not because our defence resembled water through a sieve.
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There is no comparison. I reckon we all knew that coming in.
Heck we might have squeezed in on tiebreaker 11 or 12, but really it mattered not because our defence resembled water through a sieve.
So true my friend................
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