Brees holds himself accountable for up-and-down 2012

01-09-2013, 12:04 PM

As a side note, it is uncharted waters for such a small market team to have big market issues. Alex Rodriguez' $300 million 10 year deal dwarfs Brees', and all of it is guaranteed. The difference is ARod's performance (while remarkably bad since signing the deal) has a small correlative influence on the other 25 players on the team. Further, the $300 million contract does not prevent other quality players from being signed. ARod is nuked daily when he doesn't perform, despite the lack of correlated effect on the rest of the team. Brees, because of the correlation, should get a higher level of scrutiny.

In the latest round, in order to accommodate Brees' salary, we had to give up Meachem, Porter, and Nicks. We also had to restructure a number of contracts. For 2013, already $21 million over the cap, we are likely to lose another cohort of experienced players while simultaneously being unable to sign quality free agents. Sure, there may be the marginal player added, but Brees is one missed block from being a doorstop, and another lost season.

TheOak · 01-09-2013, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by xan

As a side note, it is uncharted waters for such a small market team to have big market issues. Alex Rodriguez' $300 million 10 year deal dwarfs Brees', and all of it is guaranteed. The difference is ARod's performance (while remarkably bad since signing the deal) has a small correlative influence on the other 25 players on the team. Further, the $300 million contract does not prevent other quality players from being signed. ARod is nuked daily when he doesn't perform, despite the lack of correlated effect on the rest of the team. Brees, because of the correlation, should get a higher level of scrutiny.

In the latest round, in order to accommodate Brees' salary, we had to give up Meachem, Porter, and Nicks. We also had to restructure a number of contracts. For 2013, already $21 million over the cap, we are likely to lose another cohort of experienced players while simultaneously being unable to sign quality free agents. Sure, there may be the marginal player added, but Brees is one missed block from being a doorstop, and another lost season.

A-Rod has/had steroid issues... When you kick the juice there WILL be performance issues. Strength and timing are all thrown off.

xan · 01-09-2013, 04:07 PM

Hey. I'm all for piling on A(hole)Rod. But that's for a different thread in a different forum.

skymike · 01-09-2013, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I completely understand business Mike. I also understand market value and no item draws more money than the market will bare. True value is moot when you hit the market.

As far as sitting out, there was zero off season workouts for the 2011 season. How did the team do?

As far as for the other teams fans that think he was greedy... They also have a different opinion of Bounty gate.

My point is criticism does not equal "hate."

RaginCajun83 · 01-09-2013, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak
"As far as for the other teams fans that think he was greedy... They also have a different opinion of Bounty gate."

Who gives a rat's arse what other teams' fans think about the Saints or any player on the Saints

TheOak · 01-09-2013, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

Originally Posted by TheOak
"As far as for the other teams fans that think he was greedy... They also have a different opinion of Bounty gate."

Who gives a rat's arse what other teams' fans think about the Saints or any player on the Saints

Perhaps you should query the person I was replying to.

skymike · 01-10-2013, 05:51 AM

Hey, Brandon just arrived at the same conclusion, "Who Gives a Rats Azz," and
I think you're both right here.

Hard to disagree with a guy who's about to become a Papa in a day or so.
And give Miss T. a hug for me.

TheOak · 01-10-2013, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by skymike

Hey, Brandon just arrived at the same conclusion, "Who Gives a Rats Azz," and
I think you're both right here.

Hard to disagree with a guy who's about to become a Papa in a day or so.
And give Miss T. a hug for me.

Congrats!

AlaskaSaints · 01-10-2013, 11:28 AM

A rookie had to go lame for Drew to make the ProBowl. Wow.

A rookie is still leading his team to victory in the playoffs. Wow.

Proof-positive what a team can do without having Drew.

That being said, I'm happy we have Drew. Jus' sayin'...

He caught the high-paid curse.

Alaska

Jamessr · 01-10-2013, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints

A rookie had to go lame for Drew to make the ProBowl. Wow.

A rookie is still leading his team to victory in the playoffs. Wow.

Proof-positive what a team can do without having Drew.

That being said, I'm happy we have Drew. Jus' sayin'...

He caught the high-paid curse.

Alaska

I couldn't agree more. Sure I love having Drew on the team, but that day will come where we will have to survive without him.

Just seems lately if you make any comment towards Drew Brees people around here get all hurt

01-09-2013, 12:04 PM	#31
Threaded by xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,355 Blog Entries: 34 Rating: (0 votes - average) As a side note, it is uncharted waters for such a small market team to have big market issues. Alex Rodriguez' $300 million 10 year deal dwarfs Brees', and all of it is guaranteed. The difference is ARod's performance (while remarkably bad since signing the deal) has a small correlative influence on the other 25 players on the team. Further, the $300 million contract does not prevent other quality players from being signed. ARod is nuked daily when he doesn't perform, despite the lack of correlated effect on the rest of the team. Brees, because of the correlation, should get a higher level of scrutiny. In the latest round, in order to accommodate Brees' salary, we had to give up Meachem, Porter, and Nicks. We also had to restructure a number of contracts. For 2013, already $21 million over the cap, we are likely to lose another cohort of experienced players while simultaneously being unable to sign quality free agents. Sure, there may be the marginal player added, but Brees is one missed block from being a doorstop, and another lost season.
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01-09-2013, 12:12 PM	#32
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Brees holds himself accountable for up-and-down 2012 Originally Posted by xan As a side note, it is uncharted waters for such a small market team to have big market issues. Alex Rodriguez' $300 million 10 year deal dwarfs Brees', and all of it is guaranteed. The difference is ARod's performance (while remarkably bad since signing the deal) has a small correlative influence on the other 25 players on the team. Further, the $300 million contract does not prevent other quality players from being signed. ARod is nuked daily when he doesn't perform, despite the lack of correlated effect on the rest of the team. Brees, because of the correlation, should get a higher level of scrutiny. In the latest round, in order to accommodate Brees' salary, we had to give up Meachem, Porter, and Nicks. We also had to restructure a number of contracts. For 2013, already $21 million over the cap, we are likely to lose another cohort of experienced players while simultaneously being unable to sign quality free agents. Sure, there may be the marginal player added, but Brees is one missed block from being a doorstop, and another lost season. A-Rod has/had steroid issues... When you kick the juice there WILL be performance issues. Strength and timing are all thrown off.

01-09-2013, 04:07 PM	#33
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,355 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Brees holds himself accountable for up-and-down 2012 Hey. I'm all for piling on A(hole)Rod. But that's for a different thread in a different forum.

01-09-2013, 04:56 PM	#34
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Brees holds himself accountable for up-and-down 2012 Originally Posted by TheOak I completely understand business Mike. I also understand market value and no item draws more money than the market will bare. True value is moot when you hit the market. As far as sitting out, there was zero off season workouts for the 2011 season. How did the team do? As far as for the other teams fans that think he was greedy... They also have a different opinion of Bounty gate. My point is criticism does not equal "hate."

01-09-2013, 05:09 PM	#35
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Brees holds himself accountable for up-and-down 2012 Originally Posted by TheOak "As far as for the other teams fans that think he was greedy... They also have a different opinion of Bounty gate." Who gives a rat's arse what other teams' fans think about the Saints or any player on the Saints

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01-09-2013, 05:31 PM	#36
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 Originally Posted by TheOak "As far as for the other teams fans that think he was greedy... They also have a different opinion of Bounty gate." Who gives a rat's arse what other teams' fans think about the Saints or any player on the Saints Perhaps you should query the person I was replying to.

01-10-2013, 05:51 AM	#37
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Brees holds himself accountable for up-and-down 2012 Hey, Brandon just arrived at the same conclusion, "Who Gives a Rats Azz," and I think you're both right here. Hard to disagree with a guy who's about to become a Papa in a day or so. And give Miss T. a hug for me.
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01-10-2013, 07:05 AM	#38
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Brees holds himself accountable for up-and-down 2012 Originally Posted by skymike Hey, Brandon just arrived at the same conclusion, "Who Gives a Rats Azz," and I think you're both right here. Hard to disagree with a guy who's about to become a Papa in a day or so. And give Miss T. a hug for me. Congrats!

01-10-2013, 11:28 AM	#39
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Brees holds himself accountable for up-and-down 2012 A rookie had to go lame for Drew to make the ProBowl. Wow. A rookie is still leading his team to victory in the playoffs. Wow. Proof-positive what a team can do without having Drew. That being said, I'm happy we have Drew. Jus' sayin'... He caught the high-paid curse. Alaska skymike and Jamessr like this.

01-10-2013, 12:10 PM	#40
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Brees holds himself accountable for up-and-down 2012 Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints A rookie had to go lame for Drew to make the ProBowl. Wow. A rookie is still leading his team to victory in the playoffs. Wow. Proof-positive what a team can do without having Drew. That being said, I'm happy we have Drew. Jus' sayin'... He caught the high-paid curse. Alaska I couldn't agree more. Sure I love having Drew on the team, but that day will come where we will have to survive without him. Just seems lately if you make any comment towards Drew Brees people around here get all hurt

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