Brees holds himself accountable for up-and-down 2012
 

Because of his sporadic play, it came as no surprise that Brees pointed at himself after Sunday's 44-38 loss to Carolina in the regular-season finale, saying offensive improvements must start with him.

"I've got to hold myself accountable and those have to come down," Brees said of his interceptions, the second-highest season total of his career. In 2010, he threw 33 TDs with 22 interceptions.

"I understand that and I'm going to do my best to fix that."

Read more here: Brees holds himself accountable for up-and-down 2012 | New Orleans Saints | The Sun Herald

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Bake a pie! Eat a pie! I am tired of reading about players saying they are going to fix things they know they shouldn't do!

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He said the same thing in 2010 and look what happened in 2011.

This years motto (and I hate mottos and slogans)...

FOCUS!!!

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I'm going to go get me some coffee now.......

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Second verse, same as the first!

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Funny you should mention pie. I'm a big pie fan. I love apple pie, blueberry pie, hair pie, key lime pie, well you get the idea :D, but as I've been saying all year long, and maybe Drew just didn't hear it, TALK IS CHEAP!! Stop talking about it and DO IT! :pissed:

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You can start by stop throwing into triple coverage because you trust the WR, it hasn't worked at all so why does he keep doing it

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and instead doing a checkdown.

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I agree with Drew. The team had a lot of problems this season. He was one of them.

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Drew is great but his greatness is multiplied by having Sean Payton in his ear.

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i think the opposite, i think he DIDNT have trust in his WR. the only time he looked good is when we didnt have sproles, i believe he could have hit some Wrs, but checked down to sproles so he could drop the pass, or not pick up a first.imo

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Drew you win as a team, and you get screwed as a team. It was Roger Goodell fault.

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Overall, he mostly did enough to win most games even with the INTs.

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Yes


Additionally

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As much as I blamed drew for boneheaded interceptions he threw this year the defense is the main reason we're at home and not in the play offs. Every game we played except for maybe 2 we had to score 21+ to just stay in it...
Of course you're going to throw because you feel you must score on every drive. Its been said before had we had an average defense we would have been ok.
I still blame Sprags 100% for not evaulating his players in the 5 Preseason games. If you're guys are not getting the new scheme you as a former head coach and the defesive coordinator must adjust and he didn't at all until Vilma and Vitt got back. Maybe that locker room chatter about him not wanting to adjust is dead on. I'm all for giving the guy 1 more chance under Sean Payton but not at the exspense of wasting another prime time Drew Brees year.

I'm no longer upset...
I'm ready for next year...
I still hate Atlanta...
All is well in my life!

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As he should hold him self accountable:

He should have make the receivers catch the ball: All on him.. He throws too hard.

He should have prevented all of his sacks and being rushed: Your a QB Drew, make the receivers open and throw them the ball.

He should have made the defense tackle: All on him, if he completed all of his selfish passes that were only thrown to make his stats better the defense wouldn't have been on the field as much.

He should have prevented the defense from being the worst in history: Had Drew gained less yardage the opposing team would have needed to gain less yardage to score.

He should have coached the Special teams better: Its Drews fault so many punts and Kickoffs were 20+ yard returns.

He should have not abandoned the running game: Drew should have prevented all of the passing plays from being called from the sidelines.

He should have prevented all of the 2012 drama: As the leader of the team it was his job to stop Greg Williams and the Defense from doing anything they were not supposed to do.

He should have prevented him sitting out the off season: Drew was selfish in putting his family before the team. How dare Drew try and make the most money he possible can for his family. Dirt bag.

He should have prevented all of the interceptions: As QB Drew should have not thrown balls to receivers that were covered. He should have not thrown balls to receivers that were not going to catch them.

He should have prevented Hartley from missing Field Goals: Had you just been able to get 1st downs Hartley would have never had to miss any field goals.


Had Drew done the right things this season, accept any contract the Saints wanted to give him, throw only touch downs, refuse to pass more than 55% of the time, been the leader for Offense/Defense/Special teams... This season would have been a success.

Drew I hope you are traded because all you have brought to the Saints is your "me first" attitude, and drama. The New Orleans Saints have been held back by you for seven seasons... New Orleans didn't need your positive attitude and support rebuilding after Katrina and those charities didn't need all the money you gave. We would have been better off if you had gone to Miami.

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the other players have families too.
dont pull the family card.
child please.

Their contracts were done. No food was taken out of their mouths.

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I will stipulate that there were many problems on the team.

However,

Brees had full authority and license to call plays and/or change plays at the line. Some of the "abandoning the run" falls to him, as does misreading defenses and calling plays that fail.

15 of 19 interceptions were his bad throws or bad decisions, the others bad luck. The 4 pick-6s were all unforced errors, and each were fatal in those games.

Not that QBR is the end-all of performance metrics, but:

2011 - 1 game under 50, 3 total games under 70 (2 of 3 losses), averaging 84.0 (2nd)
2012 - 7 games under 50 (all losses), averaging 67.9 (9th)

Pretty clear, if he doesn't play like the highest paid player in the league, Saints don't win. For almost half the season, he didn't crack the top 25 best QBs.

You sink that much resource into one guy, he better deliver, no excuses.

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Erm... No

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More money for the QB means less money for the OL. Less money for the OL means less protection for the QB. Less protection for the QB means more INT's for the other team.

It's all very simple...really.

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No, your POV is simplistic.

The offensive line will not be effected by Drew's high salary this year or next just as it wasn't affected by his low salary for the last 5 years.

By your line of logic we should have had the #1 O-Line in the NFL the last few seasons. ALSO the most sacked QB this season.

Payton Manning Seems pretty damn well protected. $96 million contract sacked 21 times.

Aaron Rodgers $65 million contract - most sacked QB in the NFL in 2012, sacked 51 times.

Andy Dalton $5.4 million dollar contract, third most sacked QB in the NFL with 46

Drew Brees $100 million 26 sacks.


It just doesnt work that way...

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Disagreeing with the facts? or the conclusion. IF the conclusion is wrong, what facts mitigate the suckitude directly attributable to poor individual performance?

Or are you saying that there is no relation to value to performance, which extends to the conclusion that every Saint be paid $100 million?

2012 was a guaranteed $40 million year for Brees, which, incidentally, was the highest payout in history.

Mr. Brees' Performance, by game (passing defense rating):

Week 1 - 24th (Skins - 30th)
Week 2 - 22nd (Panties - 13th)
Week 3 - 27th (Freaking Chiefs - 12th)
Week 4 - 8th (GB - 11th)
Week 5 - 4th (Bolts - his only comeback win - 18th)
Week 6 - Bye
Week 7 - 2nd (Bucs - 32nd)
Week 8 - 23rd (Broncos - 4th)
Week 9 - 5th (Beagles - 9th)
Week 10- 10th (Clowns - 23rd)
Week 11- 2nd (Raiders - 20th)
Week 12- 21st (Whiners - 3rd)
Week 13- 27th (Clowns - 23rd)
Week 14- 15th (Gmen - 28th)
Week 15- 7th (Bucs - 32nd)
Week 16- 6th (Cowgirls - 19th)
Week 17- 9th (Panties - 13th)

Look, I get we sported the worst defense in the HISTORY OF THE NFL in terms of yardage allowed. But it wasn't the worst in scoring allowed by a long shot. The offense just wasn't very good, and the mistakes made were baffling. We had more 3-outs in the first 7 games of 2012 than we did all 2011 season. We had healthy running backs and a healthy OL, and veterans with at least 3 years starting experience at every position, all but one starter having played with the Saints those 3 seasons.

This wasn't a talent breakdown, this was a leadership/decision-making breakdown. It's not all on Brees, but bad decisions by quarterbacks have a more insidious effect on a team than do mistakes by other position players.

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It baffles me that people think that something all the sudden happened and Drew became different and made worse decisions...just because it happened and there was no reason. When you see a pick in the game stats, you don't see the D-Lineman grabbing hold to his jersey...or in his face making him not being able to step completely into his throw.

I contend that the protection breakdown...or the poor O-line play in general...lead to not only the decrease in Drew's protection but the RB's production as well.

I know that we lost at least one all-pro lineman...FOR WHATEVER REASON..and it seemed obvious to me that Drew was no different than he ever was but the way the offense went about it's business definitely was.

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My "erm no" was a catch all for your "no matter what".... your "full authority to change and call all plays at the line".

If you want to look at his performance in a vacuum then by all means go ahead. However this season there are intangibles that can not be accounted for.

The line that I am seeing that Drew Had his worst season BECAUSE of salary is absolute BS.

Drew did a lot of things this season that didn't turn out like he would have wanted them to, were they out of the ordinary for Drew. Hell yes.

You accounted for 19 interceptions 15 all on him and 4 pick 6s. What games did you watch? At least 5 of those INT's hit receivers in the hands.

As far as for what coverage he throws into... No one fkn minded in 2009.

The 2012 New Orleans Saints season is 100% uncharted waters. Have teams dealt with league drama before? Yes Video Gate. Have teams lost a coach for a season? yes the Colts this year. Have teams changed defenses before? Yes.. many times. Has any team attempted all three in a season before? Hell no.

I also leave you with this. Even if Drew had full autonomy of the play calling, that does not excuse Vitt or Carmicheal from not stopping what was going on each game when things were going bad. We all have some level of ownership in our jobs, and we all have managers that make sure we don't destroy the company in the process. The horrible play calling is all on Vitt and Carmicheal.

UNLESS, you are willing to concede that Drew has always had full autonomy of the offense and Sean Payton is not the Architect during the game? That would mean that with out the undue pressure of this season Drew Can get us to the Super Bowl next year with out Sean Payton. Its a slippery slope.

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I think the entire organization shoulders the blame, not 1 person, not 1 coach, and not 1 side of the ball.
The entire organization.

Oak is right it was uncharted waters, I don't mind debates but I don't want to be at each other throat because I don't think this is what was going on in the locker room.

Drew had some bad games and the defense done well and we lost...
The defense had even more horrible games where Drew was outstanding and we still lost.

Its a team effort and tbh 10-14 games worth we just weren't in sync as a team.
I hate to say it but I can't wait till next year, we have alot to look forward too.

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My point is that Drew is not bearing blame, he is bearing hate because of his pay. If it were not for his salary people wouldn't be blaming him so much.

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Biggie was right "mo money, mo problems"

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Oak, you keep throwing around the word hate.

When I criticize Brees, I am hating no one.
I criticize my family members, when criticism is due.
I've criticized my mother.

I love Drew, still think he's a good guy, and he's my quarterback, and I'm
rooting for him. Spending a pretty penny to attend his games in person.
Nothing I want more, than for him to be successful and happy.

But he's human. Humans make mistakes, and I think it was a mistake to
hold out for an astronomical salary, at the expense of team practice in the summer; at the expense of the salary cap, which, yes, does affect the quality of the team; and also at the expense of his own legacy and reputation. I know he's a good guy. You know he's a good guy. He'll give most of it away to charity. But the rest of the world who doesnt root for the Saints thinks he's a greedy bastard.

Personal love aside, from a sports/business standpoint, when you pull a huge piece of money which should draw other talent, when you raise the cost of operations, which trickles down to me, Joe Fan, (If it doesnt, then tell me why everything has a corporate sponsor name. )

When you pull this kind of financial burden, you better score every time you touch the ball.

Its not hate. Its business. Ask the players, if playing is just for fun.

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Drew held out for a silly amount of money, and now he will reap the consequences. Oak makes a good point, but the counter to that is that Drew asked for the money, and thereby deserves some criticism for not playing up to those standards.

At the end of the day, the highest paid player EVER cannot lead the league in interceptions, end of story

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I completely understand business Mike. I also understand market value and no item draws more money than the market will bare. True value is moot when you hit the market.

As far as sitting out, there was zero off season workouts for the 2011 season. How did the team do?

As far as for the other teams fans that think he was greedy... They also have a different opinion of Bounty gate.


Ill start a new thread to discuss his contract. Its OT for this.

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As a side note, it is uncharted waters for such a small market team to have big market issues. Alex Rodriguez' $300 million 10 year deal dwarfs Brees', and all of it is guaranteed. The difference is ARod's performance (while remarkably bad since signing the deal) has a small correlative influence on the other 25 players on the team. Further, the $300 million contract does not prevent other quality players from being signed. ARod is nuked daily when he doesn't perform, despite the lack of correlated effect on the rest of the team. Brees, because of the correlation, should get a higher level of scrutiny.

In the latest round, in order to accommodate Brees' salary, we had to give up Meachem, Porter, and Nicks. We also had to restructure a number of contracts. For 2013, already $21 million over the cap, we are likely to lose another cohort of experienced players while simultaneously being unable to sign quality free agents. Sure, there may be the marginal player added, but Brees is one missed block from being a doorstop, and another lost season.

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A-Rod has/had steroid issues... When you kick the juice there WILL be performance issues. Strength and timing are all thrown off.

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Hey. I'm all for piling on A(hole)Rod. But that's for a different thread in a different forum.

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My point is criticism does not equal "hate."

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Originally Posted by TheOak
"As far as for the other teams fans that think he was greedy... They also have a different opinion of Bounty gate."

Who gives a rat's arse what other teams' fans think about the Saints or any player on the Saints

Perhaps you should query the person I was replying to.

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Hey, Brandon just arrived at the same conclusion, "Who Gives a Rats Azz," and
I think you're both right here.

Hard to disagree with a guy who's about to become a Papa in a day or so.
And give Miss T. a hug for me. :bng:

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Congrats!

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A rookie had to go lame for Drew to make the ProBowl. Wow.

A rookie is still leading his team to victory in the playoffs. Wow.

Proof-positive what a team can do without having Drew.

That being said, I'm happy we have Drew. Jus' sayin'...

He caught the high-paid curse.

Alaska

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I couldn't agree more. Sure I love having Drew on the team, but that day will come where we will have to survive without him.

Just seems lately if you make any comment towards Drew Brees people around here get all hurt