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WhoDat!656 01-09-2013 03:59 PM

Saints GM: “We can’t just say it was all about Sean”
 
Saints general manager Mickey Loomis said Wednesday that his team’s 7-9 season was “beyond disappointing,” but that they had to be careful not to make it only about the absence of head coach Sean Payton.

“We’ve got a higher standard than we’ve ever had here,” Loomis said, via Mike Triplette of the New Orleans Times-Picayune. “That doesn’t mean we change everything here. We don’t need a cultural change. We don’t need to retool everything in the organization. But we do need to look at everything with a critical eye. We can’t just say it was all about Sean not being here or all about the bounty.

Saints GM: “We can’t just say it was all about Sean” | ProFootballTalk

jeanpierre 01-09-2013 04:32 PM

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That's right Mickey...

You might want to start with your own staff and the subpar contribution the Saints Drafting Efforts have made to the overall Saints Effort to be Perennial League Championship Contenders...

Thirty-two (32) teams passed on Marques Colston until the Saints took him in round seven (r7) and you get named Executive of the Year; well someone set the bar high on you, so trying meeting the standard for yourself...

xan 01-09-2013 04:40 PM

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I think his point was that a veteran squad should have done better. You don't get paid, on average, 40 times the median wage to be worse than replacement refs.

jeanpierre 01-09-2013 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by xan (Post 471275)
I think his point was that a veteran squad should have done better. You don't get paid, on average, 40 times the median wage to be worse than replacement refs.

I understand but...

...he authorized the payroll to Benson; his staff drafted, recruited those players...

...give a sh*t effort and guess what? you get a turd...

Rugby Saint II 01-09-2013 06:21 PM

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Fire someone dammit!!!:pissed:

Boutte 01-09-2013 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 471310)
Fire someone dammit!!!:pissed:

Yeah! Let's tear this team apart! We can easily find and sign 20 better players on defense and all we need on offense is two all-pro tackles and a better QB.

QBREES9 01-09-2013 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 471310)
Fire someone dammit!!!:pissed:

Who ?

Seer1 01-10-2013 06:04 PM

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Start with Spags. Even a mediocre D would have taken us to the playoffs. Our D wasn't even close to mediocre.

dizzle88 01-11-2013 09:00 AM

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We just have dumb players that can't understand complex schemes

GW's D was easy because it was blitz and man coverage but it got incredibly predictable

Our players are not smart Enough to grasp the scheme in one season and some players look like the talent isn't there either

Talent and smarts lacking, you easily notice which players struggle because it happens every week

TheOak 01-11-2013 09:39 AM

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Clean house on the coaching staff:

Vitt: 33 years in the NFL. Not HC material, or AHC material in my opinion. He couldnt keep it together this season. Either send him walking or downgrade him to only LB Coach and find a new AHC.

Carmicheal: Payton's puppet and we don't need puppets. He proved this season he can not adapt or improvise during a season, at half time, much less in the game.

McMahon: We need a new ST coach period.

Ellard: You NEVER fixed the dropsies.

Fajole: Our secondary wreaked..

I am not calling for Spags UNLESS he brings in what he thinks we need on Defense and we are not in the top 15 next season... He gets a pass for this season because he didnt have the right tools for the job this season.

Read this and understand why. As you flip through each players slides you tell me how many of them preformed as expected.
Steve Spagnuolo: What His Hiring Means for Every Saints Defensive Player | Bleacher Report

SmashMouth 01-11-2013 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 471598)
Clean house on the coaching staff:

Vitt: 33 years in the NFL. Not HC material, or AHC material in my opinion. He couldnt keep it together this season. Either send him walking or downgrade him to only LB Coach and find a new AHC.

Carmicheal: Payton's puppet and we don't need puppets. He proved this season he can not adapt or improvise during a season, at half time, much less in the game.

McMahon: We need a new ST coach period.

Ellard: You NEVER fixed the dropsies.

Fajole: Our secondary wreaked..

I am not calling for Spags UNLESS he brings in what he thinks we need on Defense and we are not in the top 15 next season... He gets a pass for this season because he didnt have the right tools for the job this season.

Read this and understand why. As you flip through each players slides you tell me how many of them preformed as expected.
Steve Spagnuolo: What His Hiring Means for Every Saints Defensive Player | Bleacher Report

Not bad ..Lovie is out there.

Jamessr 01-11-2013 11:03 AM

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Lovie is good because Chiacgo is a defensive minded team and they spend $$$ on talent for it to be that. He wouldn't have the budget like thta in N.O.
I don't see N.O. switching gears and spending loads on the other side of the ball. I like Sprags for one more year to improve.
Atleast this year we have everyone back.

pherein 01-11-2013 06:19 PM

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um it was largely because of the absence of Sean Payton, Loomis. Does anyone believe we would be 7-9 with SP coaching ? ...um No.

jeanpierre 01-11-2013 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 471598)
Clean house on the coaching staff:

I think everyone is forgetting one small matter...

while everyone else is hiring and assembling staffs, our Head Coach is still locked in the Commissioner Beat Down Phantom Zone, so...

HOW THE F*CK ARE WE TO LEGITIMATELY ASSESS AND TUNE THE COACHING STAFF WITHOUT OUR HEAD COACH WHILE RODGE IS PICKING HIS NOSE AND WAITING ON HIS STAFF OF RERUN WHO'S LOCKED IN THE HEAD AND DWAYNE-WAYNE IS TRYING TO FINISH HIS ACT TEST?!?

This is a multi-season Bullshinski!

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OldMaid 01-11-2013 10:50 PM

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My buds, xan and Oak, I agre. I like what Loomis is saying. What he is telling the fans is that they are aware some people really did not produce this year.

jeanpierre 01-12-2013 07:27 AM

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I doubt Sean Payton will replace the Special Teams Coach/Coordinator Greg McMahon as he a confident and friend to Coach Payton, this despite the awful production when you factor the very few plays when Thomas Morstead has not kicked the ball out of the end zone; and the denial state of Hartley to win games in Green Bay, the KC Game, and the near fatal misses against Dallas and Philadelphia...

But two candidates two consider...

Bobby April, who was on Andy Reid's staff in Philadelphia and is a two-time Special Teams Coach of the Year; he is local - Chalmette raised, Nicholls State Alum...

Alan Lowry, is the other, now recently released by the Titans; Lowry was the architect of the Music City Miracle and the Coach of what has been one of the few bright spots for the Titans - Special Teams. The Titans have cited they wanted to go in a different direction - now they want to suck in all phases of the game...

Seer1 01-12-2013 08:57 AM

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I drank the Williams kool aid dammit, I ain't sippin' from anyone else's cup until they can prove it's tasty. A decent DC takes who he has to work with and turns them into something that will at the least have a chance to work. When we enter the fourth quarter up by fourteen, which in Spag's language meant we're really down by seven, that's unacceptable. FIRE SPAGS! Get us somebody that doesn't need Tuck, Canty,Colfield and Umenyiora to be successful -or even mediocre!

Danno 01-12-2013 09:18 AM

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Here's the dilema, if we keep Spags we need to bring in players that are better suited for his scheme, since he's shown he won't change his philosophy to fit his talent.

But, we're bumping the cap so it's gonna be difficult to acquire the type players he needs.

I really wanted Spags to work out, but I think the best fix right now is to replace him.

Del Rio, Nolan... ahh what could have been.

Seer1 01-12-2013 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 471791)
Here's the dilema, if we keep Spags we need to bring in players that are better suited for his scheme, since he's shown he won't change his philosophy to fit his talent.

But, we're bumping the cap so it's gonna be difficult to acquire the type players he needs.

I really wanted Spags to work out, but I think the best fix right now is to replace him.

Del Rio, Nolan... ahh what could have been.

Exactly, we can't afford Spags. Lovie and Crennel are still out there.

TheOak 01-12-2013 02:23 PM

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I have issue with grown men with first names like Lovie and Romeo... WTF?

Rugby Saint II 01-12-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 471343)
Who ?

Well, we can start with McMahon........


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