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If the Saints do not make the playoffs, are there any circumstances where you would be willing to bring Haslett back for another year?

Or would you want him fired regardless. I mean regardless of injuries bad officiating, etc..... ???

Let's hear it !!

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Nope, under no circumstance. Make sure and purge the entire staff too.

[Edited on 26/8/2004 by BlackandBlue]

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Positively .

As a visual incentive for future coaches and staff as he is hanging from the Super Dome rafters .... ;)

Even the most incompetent person can be good for something , if only as an example of what not to be for others ...... :cool:

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GONE
Romeo Oh Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo?

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oh man thats so tough. only because i like the moves hes made wit this team as far as talent. but the one thing that lacks and god this has to come from the coaching staff is discipline and consistency. i mean how is it that we come out in games and its like every drive ur worried about a dumb penalty or turning the ball over. why cant we ever just come out and look effiecent. the eagles have less talent then us but look better prepared. at some point isnt that just coaching?
i\'d probally say it was time it would be time to let him go. unless we finished 10-6 n for some reason didnt make the playoffs. i may be more forgiving then

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I\'d be in favor of a total purge. The trick is that Benson tends to resist totally cleaning house. Venturi is a good example of this.

If we could manage to jettison everyone, I\'d like to see Benson put together a blockbuster deal to get Pioli as GM from New England and then hire either Weiss or Crennel. Either guy is a \"can\'t miss\" prospect for head coach.

Then if we could trade Brooks before he gets too expensive, we should be able to get some picks that the new head coach to work with.

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Jim Halsett is the UNLUCKIEST coach alive (right Saintfan?). \"No dough, no show.\"


Funny how all you sunshiners moan about how your predictions were off last year b/c of injuries, poor officiating, etc., but that doesn\'t stop you from giving Haslett the win or go home ultimatum.... :P

Seems like when it comes to that kind of stuff you\'re either right or you\'re wrong. Where does that elave you guys?! LMAO.

(come one, I gotta do it. I only have three weeks until the season starts and then last year\'s predictions are worthless...)

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Are you drunk???

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Win or Go Home?

I, for one, have done no such thing. While I\'d like to see Venturi moved up to the FO and a new \"D\" coordinator brought in, I don\'t hold last year against Haz. He may or may not be the next \"great\" coach. As I\'ve stated (and proved), his record at this point in his career is no worse than Bill Parcells\' or Bill Belichik\'s at this point in their careers. Don\'t think so? Look it up.

Whether you \"no excuse\" people think so or not, injuries DO matter. See last year\'s JETS or FALCONS if you disagree. Some people want to blame Haz for Roaf\'s personal issues. Some wanna blame him for Turley\'s attitude. Hey, whatever helps you sleep at night, but in my humble opinion you people need to get real.

The Saints are a young team (even younger last year) and young teams have to learn how to win. The players seem to like Haz...except for those that left for their own, personal reasons (See Turley and Roaf). Anybody hear T Smith spewin\' a buncha Mickey Mouse nonsense? Nope. He\'s got nothing but nice things to say. You can see a particular thing and take off and run with it, but you\'re only showing you willingness to be \"typical\"...in my humble opinion.

The buck may stop with Jim, but that doesn\'t make him every player\'s father. I hope he makes the playoffs this year. I think they SHOULD make the playoffs this year. There are reasons they might NOT make the playoffs that could be out of Jim\'s control. I\'d rather wait \'til the end of the season before I decide Jim\'s fate. It takes talent to win in the NFL...and it takes a bit of luck too. If you disagree, then really listen to what ex players (and current ones) are saying about winning in the NFL. You wanna think I\'m crazy that\'s fine, but I know what I see every Sunday and I know what I hear people say...the one\'s who have been there. Some of you just tune it out, and I\'m pretty sure I know why. It\'s called an A-G-E-N-D-A. ;)

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A-G-E-N-D-A? No.
Wanting a Super Bowl victory? Yes.
And after 25 years of watching this team, I think having a short patience is not asking too terribly much.

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If we went 13-3 and did\'nt make the playoffs, but I don\'t think thats going to happen. I for one think Haz is a good coach and I hope the Saint\'s do very well this year.

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I gave this some thought and makeing the play offs is a job keeper and a raise. just missing it again I\'d have to say its time to change the staff all coordinators are gone. If he agrees then he can stay on if not then he goes as well... its hard to let him go and change things when we have gained so much talent by him. We have at least one good thing going in NO lets at least try and keep that and make other changes to correct the course we are going... cleaning house isn\'t what is needed.

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I agree 100%, but that\'s not a free pass to hold the HC accountable for things beyond his control either. You think Cleveland wants Bill Belichik back?

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Good point.

My patience is thin, regardless, and will continue to be until we win it all.
My desire for a Super Bowl supersedes any individual player or coach...even Deuce.

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Here\'s my take.

First: You have to draw the line some where. You\'ve got to have some kind of plan to achieve success. And you\'ve got to have some kind of plan if that doesn\'t happen.


Second: You can\'t say those plans are set in concrete. Things do happen that are out of control of the coach. It would be foolish to be so closed minded to fire Haslett because Deuce and Brooks got hurt in the first game.

Third: This upcoming season shouldn\'t be the only thing Haslett is judged by. He\'s got a 4 year track record in New Orleans. IMO, Haslett has regressed. Injuries can\'t be used for the last 3 years. And the problems the Saints have go WAY beyond injuries. It goes to the heart of Haslett\'s coaching ability and the decisions he\'s made. Decisions like keeping Rick Venturi. His decision to be inconsistent in his coaching style.


Bottom Line: Haslett has made his bed. It\'s up to him to make sure he can sleep in it next year. Injuries have nothing to do with it. There could be a case where I voted to keep Haslett but it\'s not likely.

[Edited on 27/8/2004 by GumboBC]

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Five years is plenty of time to show ho good you are. One playoff win in 5 years is not sufficient.

Like Dr, Frankenstein, Haslet has built a mean machine...he just can\'t control it.

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they r a young team and i still love the moves they keep making towards the future. devery will eventually replace horn if donte stays healthy. maybe its the other way around but u get my point. worried about spending to much for howard next year they get smith. i love all that. shipping **** head williams to miami and grabbing to number 1 picks for it was brilliant. especially since he was inherited. getting rid of carter who was always hurt n then u find out hes got something wrong with his lungs. getting rid of joe johnson who has done nothing since leaving is beautiful. i love the moves but i hate the constant b.s. thats been going on for years. yes they r young. but at some point the coaches have to get them to play more consistently. i love jim haslett as a coach. i love the move towards discipline. n i love that all the guys have bought into it. i love that arron and deuce said something after green bay about dropped balls. good. but **** lets see it on the field. damn if we play to our talent we can really push towards the super bowl. at least take a step towards it this year. no i dont want to see him leave at all. but **** if everything is the same this year at what point do u say something has to give. n im not talking about wins and losses. im talking about the mistakes.

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It\'s rare that I make my opinion known on the board but.... Since the question was asked. As a fan of this team since the beginning of time(at least for this team) I\'d say get rid of them all! I like Haz but if it doesn\'t happen this year (at least DEEP into the playoffs) Get rid of everyone and get someone that can. We\'ve been waiting long enough. It\'sc time to start a new tradition!

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Hasn\'t 08 been saying something along these lines for a year or two now?
Good to see that 08\'s \"conspiracy theories\" seem to have some real merit.

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I\'ve had folks tell me we need to cut Stallworth too. They say he\'s a bust. And he could be. But it\'s premature to be cutting him. Don\'t you think. But they can come back after this season and say they were right if Donte\' doesn\'t perform up to expectations.

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I just went back and read this thread and I know as soon as WhoDat reads it, he\'s gonna think I directed some of my comments at him.

No, I wasn\'t talking to you WhoDat. I\'ll live to battle with you another day.. ;)

P.S. -- My earlier comments weren\'t really directed at anyone. I\'d just rather not go back and rehash who was right and wrong about EVERYTHING that was said last year. At least not to the point where it\'s dominating this board.

Hey, but it won\'t be long before Aaron takes the field against the Seahawks. Then we can break down his game under the microscope... :P



[Edited on 27/8/2004 by GumboBC]

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i hate to use tampa as an example but....

dungy put together a great team but couldn\'t get them to the big dance, gruden comes in and gives them the last piece

haslett has put together a good team but just because you can put together a car doesn\'t mean you now how to drive

anything less than 10-6 and he\'s gone

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Extremely well put. Glad to see at least ONE of the sunshiners went to rehab, kicked the habit, and had the goggles surgically removed this offseason. :)

Great analogy and one I agree with completely.


Huh? Nope, didn\'t. Which ones?

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I posted this on the wrong thread. The one were I went on my rant. ;)

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Gator, in answer to your question. Out there in the real world, we all have jobs. How many bosses would give us 5 years to produce? I understand that guys get hurt and refs screw up, but this doesn\'t happen to just the Saints. Everyone is talking about the depth this team has this year, including Has, well if it\'s true, Great! We\'ll go deep in the playoffs. If it\'s not true, then he lied to us. Do you or anyone you know tolerate a liar?

There just comes a time when you fish or cut bait! That time has come. At least for me it has.

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This looks like a pretty good roll here.

Agreed. And Venturi drives me nuts much of the time.

I could certainly work with that.

And then you live up to your name. Explain it to me again. Why does Brooks have to go? I go here:

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...eaders2003.htm

And look at the NFL QB stats at the bottom of the page. Brooks is in the top 10 of every category that stats are kept for QBs and led the league with the least INTs (8). What more do you want from the guy? He gets out there. He plays. He puts up numbers. He\'s only one guy but as QBs go he\'s pretty damn good. He has the best 3 season stretch for any QB in Saints history.

How about this: what could Weiss not do with Brooks that he\'s succeeded in doing with Brady? They have similar numbers.

Last question. Who do you replace him with? Hmmm.

Brooks certainly isn\'t perfect. But what has he done that deserves his exit from the team?

And before getting started with Delhomme consider two things:

1) Delhomme isn\'t in ANY of these top passing categories.

2) Where would the Saints have ended up if they had the Panther\'s defense from last year?


SFIAH

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Not the answer you want to hear but here it goes:

Moot point. The Saints will make the playoffs this year.

SFIAH

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I\'m thrilled you asked. Before we begin let me make clear that I don\'t think Delhomme is even part of the discussion.

Now for the BMG master plan for cleaning house and making the Saints into a perennial winner: (With deference to 08 if he wants to chime in here)

First, clean house. ALL coaches and ALL front office personnel.
Second, offer Pioli from New England anything he wants to get him to come and be GM.
Third, hire Crennel or Weiss to come in as head coach.

Fourth, face facts (I\'m saying this as an organization, not directed at any person on this board)

1. 2004 is most likely Joe Horn\'s last in black and gold. Horn is going to make 700k this season, but is due to make 3.8 million next year. Horn would have to really re-work his deal to stay. If Haslett stays, Horn will just get released. http://www.nflpa.org/Members/playerProfile.asp?ID=23954

2. In 2005 Deuce is scheduled to make 5.5 million next year. Now I know the organization wants Deuce for a long term deal, but even a new deal will make a cap hit. Since Deuce does nothing but work hard, play hard and produce, I\'m thinking a new coaching staff would like to have a predictable ground game. (I recognize this as a personal bias, but it makes sense to me.) I think Deuce is too good to lose, but he will be expensive. http://www.nflpa.org/Members/playerProfile.asp?ID=30052

3. In 2005, Howard will make no less than 6.5 million if we leave the franchise tag on him. If we can ink him to a new deal, we might get a lot of cap relief. With Smith here, he could be a cap casualty in the off-season. If we get the New England guys, they might want a 3-4, in which case, Howard might be an attractive signing. http://www.nflpa.org/Members/playerProfile.asp?ID=28784

4. In 2005, Brooks is set to make 5.5 million and go up to 6.25 and 7.25 million in the following 2 years. http://www.nflpa.org/Members/playerProfile.asp?ID=27122

Of these 4 guys, it Brooks and Horn and the 2 we should get rid of. I\'d like to try and deal Horn, but I\'m not sure anyone will trade for him since we\'ll have to cut him anyway. That leaves Brooks as being the only player in his physical prime who we can get value for in a trade. It seems like a no-brainer to me to try and deal Brooks with a new coaching staff/philosophy.

My argument for ditching Brooks if we get a new coaching staff.
1. Haslett has coddled him for his entire career here. I can\'t see the no-nonsense New England guys tolerating this.
2. A Weiss or Crennel coached team will be a team. Brooks is a me-first kind of guy. He doesn\'t fit that philosophy.
3. Keeping Brooks will retard the development of a new team identity.
4. Brooks is in his physical prime and commands his maximum trade value while allowing us some welcome cap relief to invest in putting together a defense.
5. Brooks can\'t make the throws that a QB needs to make in a New England style team. But I\'ll be that Al Davis or Denny Green would love to have him and pay through the nose for him.
6. After dumping Brooks, I\'d like to see us manage a trade with Atlanta for Matt Schaub or see if Washington wouldn\'t hurt us too much to try and get Ramsey and then let the new scouting staff find a good value QB for the mid to late rounds of the draft and then figure out a starter from JT, Bouman, Schaub and draftee.
7. I\'m not suggesting we release Brooks, but trade him. He could be our Herschel Walker that we use to get our house in order for a new coach while keeping us out of cap trouble.

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Sounds like a plan to me.... :thumbdown:

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Any other thoughts on Haslett and personnel?