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WhoDat!656 01-10-2013 06:27 PM

Time nearing for Saints to draft a quarterback
 
Sounds like this guy doesn't have much faith in Chase Daniel!

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Despite the success of this year’s rookie quarterback class, drafting a ready-to-use QB remains a crapshoot. Drafting in the first round still does not, and will never, guarantee success. For every RGIII, Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson, there is a JaMarcus Russell, Matt Leinart and Rex Grossman.

NFL teams moved to highlight the strengths of their signal callers this year, leading to the formerly unbelievable concept of the Read Option succeeding in the league. However, given a full season of experience and film, we can be sure that Defensive Coordinators’ schemes will adjust to counter these mind-trick offenses, just like they did with the Wildcat formation. The outcome of these adjustments remains unknown until next season.

Thus, for teams like the New Orleans Saints, the best strategy should be to select a first-or-second-round quarterback within the next year or two. Wait. What?!?! Drew Brees just signed a five-year, $100 million dollar contract. And, the Saints need help on defense NOW! may prevail as common opposition to such a belief.

However, believing any team will fix an entire side of the ball (in this case, the defense) via the draft would be a mistake. The 2012 Saints Defense suffered from systematic issues and improper personnel. Selecting four-to-six fresh hands from the college ranks may slightly improve the unit, but will not cause them to move from last in the league to top ten.

And, yes, the Saints’ primary quarterbacking interests should remain in the hands of Brees. In fact, that’s pretty much the point of drafting a quarterback. Brees was an exception to the rule that teams almost never find franchise quarterbacks via free agency. Typically, a team strikes gold in the draft and does everything in its power to retain top-level signal callers. This should be the New Orleans mindset. Who better to mentor an up-and-coming face of a franchise than the player most responsible for the Saints’ ascendancy to a perennial playoff contender?

The best current example in the league for this idea is Aaron Rodgers. Serving as Brett Favre’s backup for three years certainly did not hurt Rodgers. Perhaps he could have started sooner, but the risk of fail-by-fire decreased with every offensive snapped he watched from the sidelines. Plus, it is likely that Brees would relish the mentor role if he does not view the young candidate as a threat to his job. And Saints fans know that the only individual who could threaten Brees’s job would be a perfect combination of Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers in one body.

Like it or not, the Saints need a strategy for the post-Brees era. No matter who assumes the duties, risk will be involved. The best way to limit that risk is to draft and develop. Otherwise, the dice stand a better chance of falling the wrong way.

Time nearing for Saints to draft a quarterback

Marlboro Man 01-10-2013 10:30 PM

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I totally agree with this assessment. We need to get someone in here that can be developed while Drew is still in his prime and can really show the kid something. Also, if coach P is only gonna coach 5 more years then I hope he sets us up with another great QB to move on with.

st thomas 01-10-2013 11:05 PM

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Its time we draft a jewel on defense. A ricky jackson like player.

Saint_LB 01-10-2013 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 471493)
The best current example in the league for this idea is Aaron Rodgers. Serving as Brett Favre’s backup for three years certainly did not hurt Rodgers.

I can agree with this...and it makes me think of myself growing up. I was the youngest of 4, and I have always felt that I benefited from this. I remember on Sunday having Sunday dinner and just sitting there listening and eating (mostly eating!!) Anywho...I not only learned how to do things but I also saw things in my brothers and sister that I did not want to emulate. I'm thinking a lot of this happened with A-Rog, too...possibly.
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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 471493)
Plus, it is likely that Brees would relish the mentor role if he does not view the young candidate as a threat to his job.

I know he would say all the right things...Drew, that is...but I don't think anybody could really like seeing a team draft their eventual replacement. Kinda eerie if you ask me.

saintsfan403 01-11-2013 01:42 AM

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If we didn't have some very, very major issues to assess on defense I would agree 100%, but unfortunately our secondary is disgusting and needs all our attention. Maybe if we do something like Denver is doing with osweller, but I wouldn't mind waiting a season.

NOS2SB 01-11-2013 01:50 AM

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Defense. Defense. Defense.

lee909 01-11-2013 04:28 AM

Not this year
None of the QBs that are mocked to go first round have first round talent IMO.
Bigger needs to correct first.

TheOak 01-11-2013 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 471540)
Not this year
None of the QBs that are mocked to go first round have first round talent IMO.
Bigger needs to correct first.

Try looking at it like this... Neither did Brady... With Sean Payton and Drew Brees to mentor and develop a later round draft pick it could be extremely promising.

I agree with the article... And you can not 1 draft your way out of a bad side of the ball. No one has 5 first round picks, meaning we "may" find 1 but the rest will be projects.

dizzle88 01-11-2013 06:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 471540)
Not this year
None of the QBs that are mocked to go first round have first round talent IMO.
Bigger needs to correct first.

Agreed

We need to go defense this draft, don't draft a QB for the sake of it unless you think the pick is warranted

I think it will be in the next two years that we draft a QB, even though i like chase Daniel to try and prove himself the starter, you need competitions just to get the best out of a player
Make them know they are fighting for their job and see who earns it

By year 3 of drews contract I think we will have a rookie QB waiting in the wings to take over

lee909 01-11-2013 06:37 AM

I don't mind picking one up in 6th maybe 5th depending on FA but not in the first two rounds with other pressing needs.
Again if the things get sorted this season with the defends then a first rounder next year fine.

Jamessr 01-11-2013 07:10 AM

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I dunno how good this guy will be but I wouldn't mind snatching Kirk Cousins from Washington.

TheOak 01-11-2013 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamessr (Post 471558)
I dunno how good this guy will be but I wouldn't mind snatching Kirk Cousins from Washington.

He is 1/2 the price of Daniel and more NFL experience. Win-Win

xan 01-11-2013 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamessr (Post 471558)
I dunno how good this guy will be but I wouldn't mind snatching Kirk Cousins from Washington.

With RGIII out with another major knee injury, Cousins is not going anywhere. Prying him out of Snyder's grip would cost more than he's worth.

Focus on something/someone else.

TheOak 01-11-2013 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by xan (Post 471562)
With RGIII out with another major knee injury, Cousins is not going anywhere. Prying him out of Snyder's grip would cost more than he's worth.

Focus on something/someone else.

As mobile as Chase is, this might just be an excellent time to trade him to the Skins. He is a better fit than cousins.

Jamessr 01-11-2013 07:47 AM

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Didn't Daniels come from Washington to begin with?
2nd... RGIII will be back nect year. it's 2013 and knee surgey is alot better these days than it was in the 90's. Cousins will NOT be with the Redskins after 2 years.

TheOak 01-11-2013 08:02 AM

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Yes, he was picked up by the Skins as an UFA in 2009

and is now a Free Agent

QBREES9 01-11-2013 08:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamessr (Post 471558)
I dunno how good this guy will be but I wouldn't mind snatching Kirk Cousins from Washington.

I would love to have Cousins. I just don't see the Readskins letting him go. One more shot to RG3 knee and he might be done.

Jamessr 01-11-2013 08:27 AM

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Well there are quarter backs out there and the don't need to be the #1 overall. I do think Lomis and Payton have discussed this and they're on top of it.

Danno 01-11-2013 08:30 AM

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Brees has at least 5 more years. Drafting his replacement now is way way too early.

Terrible idea, absolutely terrible.

Jamessr 01-11-2013 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 471579)
Brees has at least 5 more years. Drafting his replacement now is way way too early.

Terrible idea, absolutely terrible.

Maybe...
Contract wise he has 4 more years left. Aaron Rodgers sat behind Favre for 3 or 4 years and its done him nothing but good.

Danno 01-11-2013 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamessr (Post 471580)
Maybe...
Contract wise he has 4 more years left. Aaron Rodgers sat behind Favre for 3 or 4 years and its done him nothing but good.

At that time Favre's play was showing signs of age and decline. Brees' play isn't.

Rodgers sat for 3 years, but was ready much earlier than that.

One year behind Brees should do it. So I can't see drafting his back-up for 3 or 4 more years.

College QB's are now almost NFL redy right out of the gate. Most take 2 years max.

Turrible idea.

Danno 01-11-2013 08:40 AM

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Drafting in the first round still does not, and will never, guarantee success. For every RGIII, Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson, there is a JaMarcus Russell, Matt Leinart and Rex Grossman.
Russell Wilson was not a 1st round pick. He was drafted in the 3rd.

Supertek 01-11-2013 08:59 AM

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Totally agree with Danno we have much more needs now is not the time Keep what we have.

Rugby Saint II 01-11-2013 11:55 AM

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Drew's motto is never let your back up see the field.....I do believe that he would not like the idea. He just signed a major five year deal. Give it a couple of years and keep an eye out for the right player.

TheOak 01-11-2013 01:16 PM

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I am just interested in swapping $1mm for $350k

TheOak 01-11-2013 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 471581)
At that time Favre's play was showing signs of age and decline. Brees' play isn't.

Rodgers sat for 3 years, but was ready much earlier than that.

One year behind Brees should do it. So I can't see drafting his back-up for 3 or 4 more years.

College QB's are now almost NFL redy right out of the gate. Most take 2 years max.

Turrible idea.

Brees reconstructed arm has shown signs of "tenderness" from time to time.

Beastmode 01-11-2013 02:25 PM

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That mentoring thing is overated. Look what happened in Indy. They had one of the best for a long time. Sometimes nobody can fill shoes that big.

Mardigras9 01-11-2013 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NOS2SB (Post 471535)
Defense. Defense. Defense.

DEFENSE!!!!!!!

pherein 01-11-2013 06:49 PM

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no, but if you have to get one get, colt mccoy. Hes cheap, and practically mirrored Brees performance in college. Under Brees for 4 years he might be the 2nd comming.
The Browns are well known for destroying QB talent.

QBREES9 01-11-2013 06:57 PM

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Drew is never getting old and will be a QuarterBack forever.

OldMaid 01-11-2013 10:47 PM

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Good article.

FinSaint 01-12-2013 08:53 AM

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Who knows how long there'll even be an NFL with the way Goodell is going around destroying this game and league, so I think it's far too early to be thinking about things that are four years down the road.

Danno 01-12-2013 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 471784)
Who knows how long there'll even be an NFL with the way Goodell is going around destroying this game and league, so I think it's far too early to be thinking about things that are four years down the road.

And Drew stays in excellent shape and could probably play another 6 or 7 years.

As someone else pointed out before (I'd like to give them credit but can't remember who), Drews replacement is currently in High School.

MatthewT 01-12-2013 12:05 PM

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I think the year for the Saints to draft a QB on the top half of the draft is 2014. My theory behind drafting someone fairly high is 2014 will put Brees on year 3 of that monster contract. It is fairly reasonable that the really high cap numbers for years 4 and 5 may be perhaps a bit much for the Saints, so in theory they could have a reasonably good prospect ready to take over in 2015 if they need to move on. Lets just say Brees is still playing at a very high level and the contract is not an issue, then this guy drafted in 2014 will take over in 2017.

Budsdrinker 01-14-2013 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 471785)
And Drew stays in excellent shape and could probably play another 6 or 7 years.

As someone else pointed out before (I'd like to give them credit but can't remember who), Drews replacement is currently in High School.

That was me Danno. I would like to watch Joe Montana's son who just signed at Tulane. If he has 1/2 of the old man's skills in him he might be worth the pick in a couple of years.

The Dude 01-14-2013 02:08 PM

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I don't think we need to this year. I don't and never have thought that Chase was the answer. He's a serviceable backup if that. What about that kid from A&M? He will be coming into the NFL about the time Drew will start to decline.

OldMaid 01-14-2013 05:56 PM

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Time nearing for Saints to draft a quarterback?

Yes it is.
When you have a great one and Saints do, you need to search, draft, trade, groom a future qb. You m,ight have to trade and draft a few times to find that special one. Finding that next one, next promising one is very difficult.
Everyone is looking for him whoever he is.

thefifthwall 01-14-2013 06:30 PM

Still too early. Drew at 40 and at 75% is still top 10.

AllSaints 01-14-2013 06:55 PM

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If we draft a QB this year im pretty sure somebody needs to get a good slap n the balls.....

Crusader 01-15-2013 04:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pherein (Post 471694)
no, but if you have to get one get, colt mccoy. Hes cheap, and practically mirrored Brees performance in college. Under Brees for 4 years he might be the 2nd comming.
The Browns are well known for destroying QB talent.

Petty interesting thought. Is he stuck with the Brownouts still


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