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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; They may actually play better in a 3-4 they can't get any worse... wait I better take that last part back huh. The LB's will be able to disguise their coverage and blitzs even overloads better. Providing help for them ...

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Old 01-26-2013, 04:18 PM   #11
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They may actually play better in a 3-4 they can't get any worse... wait I better take that last part back huh.

The LB's will be able to disguise their coverage and blitzs even overloads better. Providing help for them if they can just grasp what they are suppose to be doing and not make bone headed mistakes.
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Re: Can Jenkins and Harper Effectively Play In A 3-4?

Most Secondaries are now in a Cover 2 of sorts because of the extensive passing committment by teams...

Just twenty years ago, The Hail Mary Formation was one with three receivers...

How often do you see teams not lined up with three receivers today?

Harper has never been a coverage safety; he does well in specialized packages, but his salary cap number doesn't warrant his production...

Jenkins has been lost since the move to Safety; he would probably be a better cornerback and I think it's evident that Patrick Robinson, who's shown flashes, is nothing more than a more atheltic Jason David who gets muscled by larger receivers, probably needs to be moved to allow Jenkins to take the CB spot opposite Jabari Greer...

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Re: Can Jenkins and Harper Effectively Play In A 3-4?

Isa Abdul Quddus!! Forget Harper because he's gonna be cut this offseason and Jenkins is a terrible free safety and needs to go back to CB. We need to find someone to pair with Abdul Quddus at safety.
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Re: Can Jenkins and Harper Effectively Play In A 3-4?

I've never once in my life heard anyone talking about whether or not a safety will fit in a 3-4 system. Linebackers? Yea. DL? Yea. Corners? I don't recall. Safeties? Never.

So I'm going to go ahead and say yes they can play a 3-4. I have no reason not to believe they couldn't. If they don't fit on the team, it's going to be because of their play... not the system.

Remember... Harper excelled in Greg Williams system. We ran 3-4 fronts all the time.
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Re: Can Jenkins and Harper Effectively Play In A 3-4?

Jenkins can, Harper is a terrible coverage player though. He was ok as a blitzing safety in Greg Williams defence, but I have a feeling he wont be a part of the 3-4 D.
They're gonna have to bring someone in via free agency or the draft cause our second string players have proven that they are garbage too (see the panthers/cowboys games).
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Re: Can Jenkins and Harper Effectively Play In A 3-4?

Is there any difference for the safeties in 3-4 to a 4-3, if so does anyone know what the difference in responsibility is?
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Is there any difference for the safeties in 3-4 to a 4-3, if so does anyone know what the difference in responsibility is?
ZERO DIFFERENCE
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Isa Abdul Quddus!! Forget Harper because he's gonna be cut this offseason and Jenkins is a terrible free safety and needs to go back to CB. We need to find someone to pair with Abdul Quddus at safety.
We take a 7 mill cap hit this year if we cut Harper, I think...
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Re: Can Jenkins and Harper Effectively Play In A 3-4?

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We take a 7 mill cap hit this year if we cut Harper, I think...

No, Harper has a $7.1M cap hit next season and the Saints would clear $3.6M in cap by releasing him, which comes to a $3.5M cost for releasing him.

As per Yasinskas' math:

Five Saints on the cap bubble - NFC South Blog - ESPN
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No, Harper has a $7.1M cap hit next season and the Saints would clear $3.6M in cap by releasing him, which comes to a $3.5M cost for releasing him.

As per Yasinskas' math:

Five Saints on the cap bubble - NFC South Blog - ESPN
I think the top 3 are gone and there will be some contract restructuring. Loomis will figure it out, having Payton back provides incentives for certain players (the ones we want...i.e. those who care more about winning over their back account) to take a bit of a salary adjustment to keep with a championship calibre team.
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