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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; It feels good to finally have ppl read the post instead of read who wrote it and then reply... thanks I think that the Vikings and the Saints are very similar teams. We both have high powered Offenses and very ...

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Old 12-17-2002, 12:43 AM   #11
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It feels good to finally have ppl read the post instead of read who wrote it and then reply... thanks

I think that the Vikings and the Saints are very similar teams. We both have high powered Offenses and very bad Defenses. Take a look at the Vikings schedule. They have lost 7 games by a TD or less. There QB is having a bad year but look what he can do when he has a good game. We won 5 games by less than a TD. You switch that up and they could be going to the playoffs not us. They are a very underrated team.

You give Culpepper another target and he doesnt have to force the ball to Moss and they get some D help and they will be contenders just like us next year. Culpepper just looks a little more advanced in his learning process than Brooks. Brooks has better numbers but he also had a better line, better RB, and more targets.

Im not trying to call out anyone or say anything bad about Brooks but Culpepper and him came out the same year are the same type of QB on similar teams and if I had to pick right now I would go with Culpepper. He just is a little more along than Brooks is RIGHT NOW. It is not experience either Culpepper has 42 games Brooks 38. So they are pretty much identical.

I just get aggrivated when ppl defend Brooks to every critcism and alot of it he deserves. He needs to be more serious and maybe work a lil harder. I do have to hand it to him for playing hurt the last week and this week even thought I thought it was stupid for him to be in there. I just dont like to take unnecessary chances when the playoffs are so close and the game wasnt that important.
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Old 12-17-2002, 01:51 AM   #12
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You boys play nice now. Don\'t make me send you to your rooms. LOL. Every one has good points, and all fit to some degree. Just remember, and here is my quote for the day:
\" Opinions are like A-holes, everybody has one and they all generally stink.\" LOL Just a little fun to lighten things up. GO SAINTS!

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Old 12-17-2002, 02:41 AM   #13
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ok, let me get in this, yes brooks backs up and gets sacked, but if u actually would watch the play, he had no time to do anything, he gets the ball and then there is a defender already running at him, where would u like him to go, right up the middle where they are coming from, yea culpepper put on a clinic, anyone could put on a clinic on our D? our D doesnt keep the games close, they are the reason that we lost the game yesterday, the ball was on the ground for 2-3 seconds and where were our guys? most of them were in the ENDZONE!!

ok, im gonna take some flack for this part of my post, but i dont care anymore. this is regarding whodat and syco\'s posts about we have a better running back. im not saying that deuce isnt a better back then bennett but minn. leads the league in rushing, combined between bennett, moe williams and culpepper, so as a whole they are statisticly better then the saints. bennett would mostly likely be a probowler if they let him play around the endzone. i know b/c i have moe williams on my fantasy team. whenever minn gets inside the redzone, they play moe williams, he has 10 rushing TDs this year, compared to the 5 bennett has.


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Old 12-17-2002, 09:09 AM   #14
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One more time........they have two different styles...........what AB should not have to do is run 15 yards backwards.........he should have some blocking.........Daunte has always stepped up into the pocket........Brooks has never done that. Is it wrong......probably. A different style.........yes. I doubt Brooks will ever do that,but he has delivered many strikes this year. Would we criticize M.Vick for not stepping up into the pocket.......no. But his style is a three step drop,look and take off or throw. Daunte has a different style,but to say Brooks could take pointers is not correct. As I said in a previous post,i watched Daunte in college(orlando),his style is his own. I will say that one week we say gosh I wish he would run like Vick,next week we say ,gosh I wish he was a better pocket passer. Brooks should step up into the pocket,but that is not his style. I think AB has made things happen this year. The blocking has been decent ,not great.

Let me end it this way. Is this the guy you want giving the the clinic?

Culpepper 16 touchdowns 20 interceptions
AB 26 touchdowns 13 interceptions

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Old 12-17-2002, 10:07 AM   #15
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Pak - I don\'t want to get into this one too much, but c\'mon. Bennett has literally world class speed. He is a good running back, but he isn\'t Deuce.

As far as Brooks and his inability to evade the rush - it\'s not like he has no choice but to go backwards. What about the play against the Vikings where they tried to fake the flanker screen and hit Pathon in the end zone? When Pathon was open Brooks just kind of drifted out of the pocket. Did he think the linebacker that jumped the flanker route wasn\'t going to give chase?! If Brooks could read a defense in the slightest he would have seen that the entire field on Horn\'s side had been cleared out. A little flip out to Horn get\'s you ten yards down to the 5. Instead Brooks loses 9 on a sack. That\'s the kind of stuff I\'m talking about.

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Old 12-17-2002, 02:33 PM   #16
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It\'s nice to see less hostility and a litte compromising here.

Good posts all.

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I am glad that I am fighting my way out of the stereotype. I know it will be hard cause I am very critical. I shouldnt be so critical, but I look at all the weapons we have and I wonder why we not talking about Brooks for MVP? I mean look at our team and look at lets say the Rams of \'99.
We have 3 speedy wideouts(Horn, Stallworth, Paython), a solid veteran(Jake Reed), playmaker RB(Deuce), solid TEs(Sloan, Boo).
The Rams had 3 speedy wideouts(Bruce, Holt, Hakim), Solid veteran(Prohel), playmaker RB(Faulk), solid TE (conwell).

Now look at Brooks numbers and look at Warners numbers.
Warner-65.1 comp % 4353 yards 41 TDs 13 INTs 109.2 rating
Brooks-55.6 comp % 3224 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs 84.7 rating

Once again a similar team Warner was in his 1st year as a starter. He won the MVP!
I guess I just expect too much.

Now Sub about Culpepper and Brooks\'s numbers yes I would rather him than Aaron based on the performance not the numbers. Culpepper had no line most of the year. he has 1 WR who he was told to FORCE the ball to. Remember the \"Randy Ratio\"? Give him more targets and look at his numbers . Lets look back to when he had Cris Carter a solide run game and OLine.

Culpepper in 2000- 62.7 comp % 3937 yards 33 TDs 16 INTs 98.0 QB rating
470 yards and 7 TDs rushing!

That was in his first year as a starter.

I am very critical on AB cause so many other QBs are jumping in and taking off and we are being told to wait for him to learn the system. I dont want to wait for him to learn while our team gets older and we start losing ppl to Free Agency. A SB team is hard to keep together. A team that isnt winning SB is even harder to keep together. The Saints dont have a good history so ppl might shy away from us. We need to take advantage of every chance we get. This year is a chance.

I know this might stray from the football subject but its kinda the same thing. The Clippers keep drafting really young players and expect them to develop. Well it takes them a while to develop and once they start to develop they want a big contract and they havent really done anything yet. So they get traded or released. They have alot of young talent, but are still waiting to turn the corner. AS a Clippers fan I am frustrated cause the owner is getting frustrated that the team isnt winning and at the end of the year the team might fall apart. ( I lived in LA so they were my team before I moved here and we got the Hornets. ) We gave AB his contact now its tyme for him to prove himself or get out the way so other players can get a chance. If you dont produce sumtymes you get left out. The Clippers have one of the most talented teams in the league, but barely miss the playoffs each year. I dont want to have a team full of talent that barely misses the playoffs each year. Earn your keep or get out of the way so others can earn theres. Like I said its kinda different but kinda the same. You cant keep players forever money and winning titles is what keeps them together look at the Yankee\'s as much as I hate them I dont blame them. Everyone wants to play for them and they have the money to get everyone. So they stay on top. The Saints have a weak tradition and arent winning titles so its harder to get free agents.

You know what I mean?

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Old 12-17-2002, 04:36 PM   #18
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well dont just show us culpeppers # from 2000 and warners #s from 99, show us their #s this year also
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Old 12-17-2002, 04:48 PM   #19
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You can compare stats \'til the dry cows come home. The reason most of us are tired of hearing you people complain about AB is because HE ISN\'T THE PROBLEM! Did you get that? Brooks is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT the problem with the Saints. I don\'t have to compare Brooks\' numbers to Warner\'s numbers. They faced different teams. They had different players, coaches, and schemes. Does Pathon get open as much as Hakim did? Hell, I dunno, and it DOES NOT MATTER. AB and Deuce WON THE VIKINGS GAME for the Saints only to have our pittiful defense turn around and lose it.

You just don\'t get it Syco. You all have your opinions of AB, but who\'s the better evaluator of talent? Would that be you or would that be Brett Farve who raves about how good AB is now and how much better he will get? Would that be you or would that be the coaches who are paid to evaluate football talent? I\'m gonna take their word over yours every day.

No one here is saying Culpepper isn\'t a good QB, but honestly they were ready to run him out of Minnesota earlier this year because he sucked so bad. Where were you then? Where are you now, now that they\'re ready to run the great Kurt Warner out of St. Louis. Maybe you think we should sign him as a free agent. I\'m quite content knowing you\'re not running the team.

Surely you realize that winning is EVERYTHING in the NFL. Coaches loose their jobs if they don\'t win. If Brooks was so bad (and he definately isn\'t) he would NOT be the starting QB. You\'re all looking for perfection. Tell ya what, promise me you\'ll watch the Packers the next two weeks and report back to me on all the \"non-standard\" things Brett Farve does ok? You come back to me and talk about how he scrambles and makes bad throws because he\'s trying to force the issue. Maybe you can watch the Vikings for the next two weeks and come talk to me then about how great Culpepper is. Tell me about how he gets happy feet and doesn\'t allow plays to fully develope. Tell me why he and Mr. Moss are always at each other\'s throats.

Sometimes receivers don\'t get open. Sometimes blockers don\'t block. Sometimes QB\'s make mistakes. You guys catch so much hell in here because all you wanna do is blame AB for the Saints problems. You wanna grab a few statistics, post \'em in here, and announce the sky is falling because of our QB. Damn glad I\'m not the fox hole with ya buddy. Is AB\'s 107 passer rating from the last game not good enough?

Lemme hear you complain about the defense with such dedication in your beliefs. I\'ll jump right on your bandwagon then, because then you\'ll be making some sense. Show me you understand what the REAL probem is!

Sorry \'bout the \"Syco\" reference in an earlier post. Sometimes you guys make me lose my decorum! :P

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Old 12-17-2002, 04:52 PM   #20
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finally someone who knows a lil about what they are talking about, thank u saintfan
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