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If Aaron Brooks cared enough about the game to watch any of it yesterday he could have learner a valuable lesson. Culpepper put on a clinic. It is called pocket presence. When a rush come from the outside you step up. When a rush comes inside you roll out. NEVER I repeat NEVER do you drop back 15 yards and try and throw off your back foot. When you roll out to the side you can still make a 5 yard dump pass even if you are 5 yards deep its only a 10 yard pass. If you drop back 15 yards and try to make a 5 yard pass its a 20 yard pass and alot harder to make. When Culpepper did get rushed he would side step or step back and roll out a lil but stay close enough to hit a WR comming back on a 5-10 yard route cause it was still a short pass. Brooks would drop BACK and roll BACK and run BACK and then he couldnt throw on the run 25 yards so he would have to eat it and get sacked. Now I know Brooks had a little more pressure on him during the game, but that doesnt excuse him losing 15 yards on a sack when he could have stayed closer to the line and only lost say 7 or possibly make a short dump pass for 2-3 yards.

Second lesson- Awareness! When WRs are covered and you have no pressure you can wait for them to get open or you can tuck and run. Culpepper had 70+ yards yesterday and did he take one hit cause he ran? NO Cause he would pick up 10, 15, 20 and slide or get down taking no big hit. Culpepper knows when he can run and help his team. He also knows when he can wait on a pass to get open and hit a deep pass. He didnt throw it away when he had no pressure on him he would buy tyme and buy tyme and then do sumthing. He made the most of every play!

Brooks has all the tools Culpepper has maybe even more, but he doesnt have the presence or awareness to do waht Culpepper does. Brooks is a physically blessed athlete, but maybe he just doesnt have the instincts. You cant teach those its like a 6th sense.

Is it just me that sees this or do others agree?

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Way to POST Gatorman. Perhaps Sycosurfer is aptly named. Even with a 107 passer rating the Brooks bashers won\'t give it up. Syco missed by a mile, but you, sir, made a fingertip grap for the TD! :P

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grab even ;)

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You guys cant be serious! Did I say Brooks played bad and cost us the game? NO Have I not said a bad thing about Brooks in the past 2 week? You guys are so in love with Brooks that you miss the point of the post to protect him when Im not even challenging him. Do you like it when he drops back 15 yards and we miss a FG? It happend a few weeks back. He drops back too much. He is a great QB most talented we have and he just needs to learn to step up not drop so far back. If you guys could look past my name and read this post for what it is maybe you could see that. The problem is you all have me labeled as a Brooks hater and when I try and make a post as a fan yall all bash me and miss the point.

Do you not think that Culpepper looked like a great QB against us? Is our D much worse than theirs? Why didnt Brooks do the things Culpepper did if he is so good?

Can you name 3 ppl on their D without looking at ESPN.com? We have all pro DL Darren Howard and notables Jacson and Hand. Then we have all pro CB Carter and SS Sammy Knight. They have Hovan and whoelse a washed up Biekert? Get real

Minn- 367 ypg allowed 260 passing 27.8 ppg allowed
NO- 364 ypg allowed 245 passing 25.6 ppg allowed

So our D is bad and Culpper did play a good game vs a bad team, but Brooks had the same chances and played good against a D just as bad. Then only difference was Brooks dropped back alot and lost valuable yards Culpepper didnt.
Culpepper sacked 3 tymes for 12 yards 4 yps.
Brooks sacked 4 tymes 34 yards 8.5 yps.

What is yall argument about that? Dont get mad at me cause Im making a good point about Brooks just accept it. Im not blaming him just saying he does that alot. I know the D cost us the game I didnt blame Brooks for the lost and if I did please show me in my post where I said Brooks lost us the game.

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ONCE AGAIN WHEN AND WHERE DID I BLAME BROOKS?!? This is about his learning... Im agreeing with you and you are still trying to tell me I am wrong. I am not talking about the game this weekend at all.

Here is some research I just finished to prove my point about not having pocket presence and droping back to much.
Brooks has been sacked 30 tymes for 196 yards an avg of 6.46 yards per sack
Carr has been sacked 70 tymes for 378 yards an avg of 5.4 yards per sack

Let me guess Carr has a better line? More weapons? More exp? NO He has better presence!

And if you want to say thats stats are sumtymes deceiving look past Brooks TD passes and look at his rating or consistency. Our D has lost us games this year, but Brooks hasnt always won us games like yall like to praise him for. Maybe the run after catch makes Brooks numbers better. We have good WR who can make plays. Im just looking at him as a whole and he is way behind where he should be developmentally. That worries me. He is taking a long tyme to learn things you shouldnt take that long to learn.

We have a talented team we just need better awareness and smarts. We have 2 LBs that are 6\'2 and 6\'4 and 240 and run 4.5 range. (Hodge, Allen) We have a QB that can chunk it 70 yards and throw it through a piece of plywood. We have a WR that can run a 4.2. Our strongest OL is on the bench. So what!

We have alot of talent and we just need exp and awareness. Im not saying Brooks isnt a good QB but Im saying he needs better awareness and presence to maximize his talent. Sumtymes he hurts the team by droping back so far. It makes it say 2nd and 25 or 3rd and 20 things like that are not as easy to make up. We missed a FG 2 weeks ago against Tampa cause Brooks dropped back and Rice pulled him down for a loss of 14 yards. Carney missed a 48 yard FG. How many 34 yard FG Carney miss this year? Brooks Drops back into the EndZone alot instead of stepping up out of the endzone. Sumtymes he is just unaware and that is dangerous.

We lost to Detroit Brooks had 3 turnovers we lost by 5. TO margin -3
We lost to Atlanta Brooks had 2 turnovers we lost by 2. TO margin even
We lost to Atlanta again Brooks 2 turnovers we lost by 7. TO Marin -1
We lost to Cleveland Brooks had 4 turnovers we lost 9. TO margin -4
Yesterday was the only game Brooks played good in and we lost. So Im not blaming it on him. But look at the others kinda hard not to say he was a major reason we lost. Our D is not great, but they do keep the games close.

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I am talking about the games where we lost. Look at the TO margin in those games and we were in all of them. How can you say that our D isnt keeping us in there. I mean they are not winning games but how many games have we got blown out in??? Our d plays well enough to keep us in games and it is sad that our O has to win it. I agree our O should not have to score on every drive but for you to say that our D is so horrible isa misstatement.
16 INTs 4 blocked Kicks 18 fumble recovers 34 sacks.
That is 1 INT1 FR 2.5 sacks per game and a blocked kick every 4 games or so. We are plus 6 in the TO margin. We also have 4 more sacks than our opponents. I know the pts allowed is high, but when we score 30+ pts the other team has to attack more they take more chances and we do get beat on big plays we shouldnt get beat on. We might not have a great D but it is not the most horrible D in the league. We just allow alot of points cause of costly turnovers and costly penalties 29th in the league.
We are 4th in the league in take aways...27th in yards allowed. So yes we give up alot of big plays but yes we make alot of big plays to keep us in the game.

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Hey, is this a forum? Can people type an opinion without being flamed? Flaming is one thing,but Gatorman, aXanax could help you immensly. I am proud of the Saints,but our defense has been the issue all season. Our D looked good in the second TB game,except for Alstott run. Culpepper is a good QB,but he is not the second coming. I live in Orlando,he attended U. Central Florida,so I watched him in college. We made this team look like they have a winning record. When you know Randy Moss is the only true target,why was he open? Schemes,Players,Moss????? Brooks has done a great job,particularly in the clutch. We have played from a third and long most of the year. I digress, Culpepper was allowed to look great this week,but I feel the guy lacks weapons,or he could be a better QB. His first year ,there was little dissention in the ranks,he looked worse his next year because his own teammates were applying ruthless pressure to him. Look at the great QB\'s, I use Marino he was the one applying pressure to his teammates not the other way around.

Regardless,Culpepper falls into the upper middle of the pack in the NFL,as far as Qb\'S are concerned.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa. Guys, Syco is absolutely right. Go back and look at his original post. Culpepper did put on a clinic. Never, and I mean NEVER, have I seen Brooks take two steps up into the pocket, reset himself and make a throw. NEVER have I seen him step into a hit and still deliver a strike. Culpepper did that at least 10 times against us. Or he tucked and ran.

I know people are sensitive about the Brooks issue. I have been critical of Brooks and I am a big Delhomme fan. All that crap aside, how can you disagree with what Syco said?!

We have a better running back. We have better receivers overall. Brooks has generally good statistics. Still, he does not have the intangibles that a guy like Culpepper does. He makes bad decisions, he doesn\'t know how to avoid the rush affectively, and his numbers, in my humble opinion, should be even better. He isn\'t smart enough, he doesn\'t have the heart, and he definitely isn\'t interested in getting hit. Brooks could have learned a LOT from watching Culpepper yesterday. Syco, I completely agree with you.

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I have to weigh in for what syco is trying to say here. AB had a good game yesterday but could it have been better if he had better presence and skill in the pocket. AB does not help his own cause as much as he could by being able to elude the rush and make a defence pay the price for bringing a blitz.

I like AB but I would like to see him develop more this year than I have seen. I blame both AB and his coaches for this. Who is teaching him to back pedal when he feels the rush? Obviously he is being coached to do this because he has been doing it all year. I am thinking to the year Dilfer led the Ravens to the superbowl. He did not win them any games but he did not lose them any games either. Is this the philosophy the coaches are instilling in AB. LORD I HOPE NOT! He is better than that.

I also do not think AB is in very good physical condition right now. I am not talking about injuries but playing condition. For the qickness and elusiveness he is suppose to have I do not see it. I see a QB that is being chased down behind the line and forced to throw the ball away in desperation. I see a player that has tried to scramble up the field yet stumble on his own feet. Ab is making plays but he is not making plays he could be capable of making that would seperate him from an average QB to a great QB defenses fear.

I do not Blame AB as much as I do his coaches. They are the ones allowing him to develop his bad habits.

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I have to at least partially agree with Syco here in that even though Brooks is terribly talented in some areas and could, I repeat could become a great QB in this league, he needs to learn from his mistakes, i.e. learn that dropping back 5, 10 15 or more yards is not smart or usually necessary, that it is a good thing to stay in the pocket when possible, that you can still make a good throw when under pressure and that when the pressure is on and you\'ve got no open receivers it\'s OK to run (if he\'s worried about getting banged up, learn to slide).

These are all things that a QB needs to learn and have become second nature. I just don\'t think Brooks understands this yet. Hopefully he will somewhere down the line -- sooner than later.

Go SAINTS!!!!!

David in Houston

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It feels good to finally have ppl read the post instead of read who wrote it and then reply... thanks

I think that the Vikings and the Saints are very similar teams. We both have high powered Offenses and very bad Defenses. Take a look at the Vikings schedule. They have lost 7 games by a TD or less. There QB is having a bad year but look what he can do when he has a good game. We won 5 games by less than a TD. You switch that up and they could be going to the playoffs not us. They are a very underrated team.

You give Culpepper another target and he doesnt have to force the ball to Moss and they get some D help and they will be contenders just like us next year. Culpepper just looks a little more advanced in his learning process than Brooks. Brooks has better numbers but he also had a better line, better RB, and more targets.

Im not trying to call out anyone or say anything bad about Brooks but Culpepper and him came out the same year are the same type of QB on similar teams and if I had to pick right now I would go with Culpepper. He just is a little more along than Brooks is RIGHT NOW. It is not experience either Culpepper has 42 games Brooks 38. So they are pretty much identical.

I just get aggrivated when ppl defend Brooks to every critcism and alot of it he deserves. He needs to be more serious and maybe work a lil harder. I do have to hand it to him for playing hurt the last week and this week even thought I thought it was stupid for him to be in there. I just dont like to take unnecessary chances when the playoffs are so close and the game wasnt that important.

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You boys play nice now. Don\'t make me send you to your rooms. LOL. Every one has good points, and all fit to some degree. Just remember, and here is my quote for the day:
\" Opinions are like A-holes, everybody has one and they all generally stink.\" LOL Just a little fun to lighten things up. GO SAINTS! :D

[Edited on 17/12/2002 by JOESAM2002]

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ok, let me get in this, yes brooks backs up and gets sacked, but if u actually would watch the play, he had no time to do anything, he gets the ball and then there is a defender already running at him, where would u like him to go, right up the middle where they are coming from, yea culpepper put on a clinic, anyone could put on a clinic on our D? our D doesnt keep the games close, they are the reason that we lost the game yesterday, the ball was on the ground for 2-3 seconds and where were our guys? most of them were in the ENDZONE!!

ok, im gonna take some flack for this part of my post, but i dont care anymore. this is regarding whodat and syco\'s posts about we have a better running back. im not saying that deuce isnt a better back then bennett but minn. leads the league in rushing, combined between bennett, moe williams and culpepper, so as a whole they are statisticly better then the saints. bennett would mostly likely be a probowler if they let him play around the endzone. i know b/c i have moe williams on my fantasy team. whenever minn gets inside the redzone, they play moe williams, he has 10 rushing TDs this year, compared to the 5 bennett has.

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One more time........they have two different styles...........what AB should not have to do is run 15 yards backwards.........he should have some blocking.........Daunte has always stepped up into the pocket........Brooks has never done that. Is it wrong......probably. A different style.........yes. I doubt Brooks will ever do that,but he has delivered many strikes this year. Would we criticize M.Vick for not stepping up into the pocket.......no. But his style is a three step drop,look and take off or throw. Daunte has a different style,but to say Brooks could take pointers is not correct. As I said in a previous post,i watched Daunte in college(orlando),his style is his own. I will say that one week we say gosh I wish he would run like Vick,next week we say ,gosh I wish he was a better pocket passer. Brooks should step up into the pocket,but that is not his style. I think AB has made things happen this year. The blocking has been decent ,not great.

Let me end it this way. Is this the guy you want giving the the clinic?

Culpepper 16 touchdowns 20 interceptions
AB 26 touchdowns 13 interceptions

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Pak - I don\'t want to get into this one too much, but c\'mon. Bennett has literally world class speed. He is a good running back, but he isn\'t Deuce.

As far as Brooks and his inability to evade the rush - it\'s not like he has no choice but to go backwards. What about the play against the Vikings where they tried to fake the flanker screen and hit Pathon in the end zone? When Pathon was open Brooks just kind of drifted out of the pocket. Did he think the linebacker that jumped the flanker route wasn\'t going to give chase?! If Brooks could read a defense in the slightest he would have seen that the entire field on Horn\'s side had been cleared out. A little flip out to Horn get\'s you ten yards down to the 5. Instead Brooks loses 9 on a sack. That\'s the kind of stuff I\'m talking about.

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It\'s nice to see less hostility and a litte compromising here.

Good posts all.

Go SAINTS!!!!!

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I am glad that I am fighting my way out of the stereotype. I know it will be hard cause I am very critical. I shouldnt be so critical, but I look at all the weapons we have and I wonder why we not talking about Brooks for MVP? I mean look at our team and look at lets say the Rams of \'99.
We have 3 speedy wideouts(Horn, Stallworth, Paython), a solid veteran(Jake Reed), playmaker RB(Deuce), solid TEs(Sloan, Boo).
The Rams had 3 speedy wideouts(Bruce, Holt, Hakim), Solid veteran(Prohel), playmaker RB(Faulk), solid TE (conwell).

Now look at Brooks numbers and look at Warners numbers.
Warner-65.1 comp % 4353 yards 41 TDs 13 INTs 109.2 rating
Brooks-55.6 comp % 3224 yards 26 TDs 13 INTs 84.7 rating

Once again a similar team Warner was in his 1st year as a starter. He won the MVP!
I guess I just expect too much.

Now Sub about Culpepper and Brooks\'s numbers yes I would rather him than Aaron based on the performance not the numbers. Culpepper had no line most of the year. he has 1 WR who he was told to FORCE the ball to. Remember the \"Randy Ratio\"? Give him more targets and look at his numbers . Lets look back to when he had Cris Carter a solide run game and OLine.

Culpepper in 2000- 62.7 comp % 3937 yards 33 TDs 16 INTs 98.0 QB rating
470 yards and 7 TDs rushing!

That was in his first year as a starter.

I am very critical on AB cause so many other QBs are jumping in and taking off and we are being told to wait for him to learn the system. I dont want to wait for him to learn while our team gets older and we start losing ppl to Free Agency. A SB team is hard to keep together. A team that isnt winning SB is even harder to keep together. The Saints dont have a good history so ppl might shy away from us. We need to take advantage of every chance we get. This year is a chance.

I know this might stray from the football subject but its kinda the same thing. The Clippers keep drafting really young players and expect them to develop. Well it takes them a while to develop and once they start to develop they want a big contract and they havent really done anything yet. So they get traded or released. They have alot of young talent, but are still waiting to turn the corner. AS a Clippers fan I am frustrated cause the owner is getting frustrated that the team isnt winning and at the end of the year the team might fall apart. ( I lived in LA so they were my team before I moved here and we got the Hornets. ) We gave AB his contact now its tyme for him to prove himself or get out the way so other players can get a chance. If you dont produce sumtymes you get left out. The Clippers have one of the most talented teams in the league, but barely miss the playoffs each year. I dont want to have a team full of talent that barely misses the playoffs each year. Earn your keep or get out of the way so others can earn theres. Like I said its kinda different but kinda the same. You cant keep players forever money and winning titles is what keeps them together look at the Yankee\'s as much as I hate them I dont blame them. Everyone wants to play for them and they have the money to get everyone. So they stay on top. The Saints have a weak tradition and arent winning titles so its harder to get free agents.

You know what I mean?

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well dont just show us culpeppers # from 2000 and warners #s from 99, show us their #s this year also

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You can compare stats \'til the dry cows come home. The reason most of us are tired of hearing you people complain about AB is because HE ISN\'T THE PROBLEM! Did you get that? Brooks is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT the problem with the Saints. I don\'t have to compare Brooks\' numbers to Warner\'s numbers. They faced different teams. They had different players, coaches, and schemes. Does Pathon get open as much as Hakim did? Hell, I dunno, and it DOES NOT MATTER. AB and Deuce WON THE VIKINGS GAME for the Saints only to have our pittiful defense turn around and lose it.

You just don\'t get it Syco. You all have your opinions of AB, but who\'s the better evaluator of talent? Would that be you or would that be Brett Farve who raves about how good AB is now and how much better he will get? Would that be you or would that be the coaches who are paid to evaluate football talent? I\'m gonna take their word over yours every day.

No one here is saying Culpepper isn\'t a good QB, but honestly they were ready to run him out of Minnesota earlier this year because he sucked so bad. Where were you then? Where are you now, now that they\'re ready to run the great Kurt Warner out of St. Louis. Maybe you think we should sign him as a free agent. I\'m quite content knowing you\'re not running the team.

Surely you realize that winning is EVERYTHING in the NFL. Coaches loose their jobs if they don\'t win. If Brooks was so bad (and he definately isn\'t) he would NOT be the starting QB. You\'re all looking for perfection. Tell ya what, promise me you\'ll watch the Packers the next two weeks and report back to me on all the \"non-standard\" things Brett Farve does ok? You come back to me and talk about how he scrambles and makes bad throws because he\'s trying to force the issue. Maybe you can watch the Vikings for the next two weeks and come talk to me then about how great Culpepper is. Tell me about how he gets happy feet and doesn\'t allow plays to fully develope. Tell me why he and Mr. Moss are always at each other\'s throats.

Sometimes receivers don\'t get open. Sometimes blockers don\'t block. Sometimes QB\'s make mistakes. You guys catch so much hell in here because all you wanna do is blame AB for the Saints problems. You wanna grab a few statistics, post \'em in here, and announce the sky is falling because of our QB. Damn glad I\'m not the fox hole with ya buddy. Is AB\'s 107 passer rating from the last game not good enough?

Lemme hear you complain about the defense with such dedication in your beliefs. I\'ll jump right on your bandwagon then, because then you\'ll be making some sense. Show me you understand what the REAL probem is!

Sorry \'bout the \"Syco\" reference in an earlier post. Sometimes you guys make me lose my decorum! :P

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finally someone who knows a lil about what they are talking about, thank u saintfan

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Good post Saintsfan. It\'s well known one man doesn\'t make or break a team. I too find it hard to place blame on the loss to the Vikings on one person. But according to my last check no one is perfect. If the truth be known the whole team could have played a little better. We can all blame someone but that doesn\'t make it true, it\'s just our opinion. Contrary to some beliefs there are more than a few knowledgable people posting to this board. We can choose to agree or disagree, it\'s our choice. I just choose to not say anything at all if i don\'t agree with someones post. That to me doesn\'t make them an idiot. I just disagree. GO SAINTS! :)

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SaintFan - you are SO right and you are SO wrong!

First, Brooks is not THE problem with the Saints. The defense is the problem. You\'re right. HOWEVER, the \"Brooks bashers\" (and I guess you can include me in that group if you want) are right about some things... and stats have nothing to do with it.

Brooks does not have the instincts that other greats like Favre have. He doesn\'t seem to be making any progress in his maturation as a QB. Most importantly, he makes mistakes - the same mistakes - week in and week out. Mistakes that other QBs don\'t make. Now, I\'m no expert, but I do watch three games at a time every Sunday. With Sunday and Monday night that\'s 8 games a week - 16 QBs. I don\'t see other legitimate QBs in the upper half of the league making the same bone head mistakes every week.

As far as trusting the NFL talent scouts... well, just don\'t put any money on it. Otherwise you\'d be taking Leaf and Smith over guys like Warner and Brady. NFL scouts don\'t know everything either. In fact, their wrong just as often as any arm chair QB. I don\'t understand how you can trust talent scouts. Name one First round draft pick that paid off for the Saints in the last 20 years prior to the Muellers getting here (that excludes Deuce and Stallworth).

Coaches often make a decision and then stick with it regardless of how obvious it is to every one else in the world that they should be doing something else. My major point is this. Aaron Brooks is a decent quarterback. In Saints terms, he\'s good.. maybe one of the top three Saints QBs all time. However, I think the Saints coaching staff overlooks Delhomme b/c they have announced that Brooks is their man. Now they\'ll stay that course even to their demise.

All that said, you\'re right. Brooks deserves far less criticism than the defense, which is keeping the Saints from being the best team in the league.

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Im not saying that Warner is a great QB and we should go get him but look what he did with a talented team. Same with Culpepper. Why is it that Brooks is struggling with all the talent on this team? Brooks has played ok all year yes but only 1-300 yards passing game against Clevland! With the WRs we have how is he not putting up better numbers? Brooks played a great game this week and his 107 QB rating is amazing. But on the year its in the 84.7 and thats in the bottom half of the league.

The fact is you cant argue stats or Wins and Losses. Brooks wins and you want all the credit to go to him. Why is it that Super Bowl MVP Trent Dilfer was released? HE wasnt that great a QB even though he barely lost any games. Would you take his W/L over the things some other QBs can do? NO its not about W/L its about making plays that help you win or making plays that cost you to lose. Brady isnt as Talented as Bledsoe, but who is starting in NE? Sometimes it isnt the most talented QB that helps you win its the one that gives your team the best chance to win. The QB that makes more plays and less mistakes. Dilfer didnt lose games he put his team in a position to win games. Brooks might play good and we win, but He has never won a game all by his self. He has lost games all by his self(Cleveland). He has not proven to me that he is the superstar playmaking QB. HE is more talented than Dilfer yes, but not as talented as other QBs on losing teams.

AS for my opinion I have stated I dont know how many tymes that Brooks is the MOST TALENTED QB we have! He is just taking along tyme to learn the system and still makes mistakes. And Once again WHERE DID I BLAME HIM for this loss???

The problem is I dont agree with you guys and worship the ground Brooks walks on so yall all get upset. When he first came on to the field and wowed us I thought we had sumthing special. Then he decided he wanted to be less of a playmaker and more of a QB. Problem is he isnt smart enough to be a drop back passer he has to be a playmaker. He isnt playing to his strengths. He is making himself look bad by trying to force himself to play sumthing he isnt as good at playing.

I dont blame him for everything. He has done alot of good things but he makes alot of mistakes, and since I point out his mistakes I get 10 guys telling me Im stupid when most ppl agree with the things I am saying. Im not calling for his head. All I am saying is he makes mistakes and thats what I see. I say he plays good when he plays good, but if he plays good and makes a mistake I will point it out. Not cause I dont like him, but because it was a mistake. And he needs to work on correcting that.

Quik question for you Brooks lovers:
Would you trade Brooks for Bulger? Bulger is just as young and shows just as much promise. If not more than Brooks. Why do we have to WAIT for Brooks to come around. Im not blaming him Im not saying he isnt good Im critical of some of the things he does that hurts the team. But in 3 years he hasn\'t learned how to play like Bulger has in half a year. Makes you wonder...

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Now, I don\'t agree with everything that Syco said, but he asked a damn good question. I wouldn\'t trade Brooks, but do you think it is worth going out and getting Bulger and letting them compete for the starting job?

Personally I think our money is better spent on defense right now, HOWEVER, I think the Saints should open up the QB race and simply let the best man win in camp next year. Delhomme deserves at least a look! I have this sinking feeling that we\'ll be kicking ourselves in a year or two when Delhomme is putting up great numbers somewhere else. Isn\'t that the story of the Saints?

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Brooks is our QB. Gatorman,you don\'t need a xanax after all. Good apology. Brooks is o.k. I am not a basher by any means,I like the guy. His numbers are better this year,the only year that matters. Brooks can bring us to the playoffs,duh! Brooks is capable of many good things. I would like to see us do great things bottom line. Brooks is tarting because our coaches think he is the man for the job. Delhomme,will make a good QB,unfortunately probably on another team. Brooks would have never played behind Favre. Opinions make the world go round,we aren\'t playing,coaching or scouting. We are voicing opinions, and venting about stupid losses like last week.

I love my Saints and think you guys have some great opinions and some that make no sense at all. We need to unite around who we have and who is playing,onward and upward.

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QB Aaron Brooks has been everything the Saints hoped for when he signed a lucrative contract extension prior to the season, and the Saints’ success this year has been in no small part due to Brooks’ development. But we’re told that doesn’t mean he can’t be replaced. Insiders say that Brooks’ recent shoulder problem — he has a small tear of the tendon that connects his right deltoid muscle to his shoulder — doesn’t have the coaching staff in a panic because they believe backup Jake Delhomme can be just as effective in the offense. Delhomme isn’t nearly as mobile as Brooks, but he has been steady in relief in recent weeks and has the confidence of his teammates that the Saints won’t suffer a huge drop-off at the QB position. Brooks’ injuries could mean a heavier workload for RB Deuce McAllister during the stretch run, but McAllister believes he is healthy enough now to shoulder the load.That’s good news for head coach Jim Haslett, who would just as soon not change his team’s philosophy with the Saints’ playoff status still up in the air.

If Jake could be just as effective as Brooks , would he do it for less ???????

Not nearly as mobile as Brooks ??? Is that going backwards ???

Pocket Presence and Awareness...Instructor Culpepper
 

I can agree with that article for the most part. I would like to see Brooks get better. I dont want JT to be the back up in the playoffs. However, I dont think there is a surgery on the arm that can heal that fast in 2 weeks and be considered 100%. So I guess AB might as well play cause sitting him on the side wont do much good for us this season. If this was a serious career threatening injury I doubt he would be playing.

That being said... Now I can disagree... Delhomme might not be as fast as Brooks, but I think he might be just as mobile. If he isnt he sure knows when to run.

In 38 games Brooks has played he has 177 rushes 770 yards and 5 TD\'s. A 4.4 average.
In 6 games Delhomme has played he has 14 rushes 76 yards and 2 TD\'s. A 5.4 average.

You take away the one game this year where he came in and only tossed a hail mary, and take away that game where he came in and threw the pass to Joe Horn against Tampa. Add in the 2 kneels for -1 a pop and you have 4 games where he has 78 yards and 2 TD\'s. On 12 carries. a 6.5 average...It might not be as impressive as Vick or Culpepper but that looks like a mobile QB to me!

Pocket Presence and Awareness...Instructor Culpepper
 

i can name a few first round picks that worked out for the saints:

Pro bowl LT Kyle Turley - 1998
Pro bowl DE Joe Johnson - 1994
Pro bowl LT Willie Roaf - 1993
Pro bowl DE Renaldo Turnbull - 1990
Pro bowl DE Wayne Martin - 1989
Craig \"iron head\" heyward - 1988
Archie Manning - 1971

these are just a few

Pocket Presence and Awareness...Instructor Culpepper
 

in fact, here is every saints draft pick since 1967:

2002

1. Donte Stallworth WR Tennessee
1. Charles Grant DE Georgia
2. LeCharles Bentley C Ohio State
3. James Allen LB Oregon State
4. Keyou Craver CB Nebraska
5. Melvin Mitchell S Western Kentucky
6. J.T. O\'Sullivan QB UC-Davis
6. John Gilmore TE Penn State
7. Derrius Monroe DE Virginia Tech

2001

1. Deuce McAllister RB Mississippi
3. Sedrick Hodge LB North Carolina
3. Kenny Smith DL Alabama
4. Moran Norris FB Kansas
5. Onomo Ojo WR UC-Davis
6. Mitch White T Oregon State
7. Ennis Davis DT USC

2000

2. Darren Howard DE Kansas State
4. Terrelle Smith FB Arizona State
5. Tutan Reyes OL Mississippi
5. Austin Wheatley TE Iowa
5. Chad Morton RB USC
6. Marc Bulger QB West Virginia
6. Michael Hawthorne DB Purdue
6. Sherrod Gideon WR Southern Mississippi
7. Kevin Houser TE Ohio State

1999

1. Ricky Williams RB Texas

1998

1. Kyle Turley T San Diego St.
2. Cameron Cleeland TE Washington
4. Fred Weary CB Florida
4. Julian Pittman DT Florida St.
5. Wilmont Perry FB Livingstone College
6. Chris Bordano LB SMU
7. Andy McCollough WR Tennessee
7. Ron Warner LB Kansas

1997

1. Chris Naeole G Colorado
2. Rob Kelly DB Ohio State
2. Jared Tomich DE Nebraska
3. Troy Davis RB Iowa State
4. Danny Wuerffel QB Florida
4. Keith Poole WR Arizona State
6. Nicky Savoie TE LSU

1996

1. Alex Molden CB Oregon
2. JeRod Cherry CB California
3. Brady Smith DE Colorado St.
4. Ricky Whittle RB Oregon
5. Mercury Hayes WR Michigan
5. Tom Ackerman G Eastern Washington
5. Terry Guess WR Gardner-Webb
6. Keno Hills T Southwestern Louisiana
6. Toderick Malone WR Alabama
7. Henry Lusk TE Utah

1995

1. Mark Fields LB Washington St.
2. Ray Zellars FB Notre Dame
3. Mike Verstegen T Wisconsin
4. Dameian Jeifries DE Alabama
5. William Strong CB North Carolina St
6. Lee DeRamas WR Wisconsin
7. Travis Davis S Notre Dame

1994

1. Joe Johnson DE Louisville
2. Mario Bates RB Arizona St.
3. Winfred Tubbs LB Texas
4. Doug Nussmeier QB Idaho
5. Herman Carroll DE Mississippi St.
5. Craig Novitsky G UCLA
6. Derrell Mitchell WR Texas Tech
7. Lance Lundberg T Nebraska

1993

1. William Roaf T Louisiana Tech
1. Irv Smith TE Notre Dame
2. Reggie Freeman LB Florida St.
4. Lorenzo Neal FB Fresno St
4. Derek Brown RB Nebraska
5. Tyrone Hughes CB Nebraska
6. Ronnie Dixon NT Cincinnati
7. Othello Henderson S UCLA
8. Jon Kirksey NT Cal St.- Sacramento

1992

1. Vaughn Dunbar RB Indiana
3. Tyrone Legette CB Nebraska
4. Gene McGuire C Notre Dame
4. Sean Lumpkin S Minnesota
5. Torrance Small WR Alcorn St.
6. Kary Vincent CB Texas A&M
8. Robert Stewart NT Alabama
9. Donald Jones LB Washington
10. Marcus Dowdell WR Tennessee St.
11. Mike Gisier G Houston
12. Scott Adell T North Carolina St.

1991

2. Wesley Carroll WR Miami (Fla.)
5. Reggie Jones CB Memphis St.
6. Fred McAfee RB Mississippi College
7. Hayward Haynes G Florida St.
8. Frank Wainright TE Northern Colorado
11. Scott Rosa LB USC
12. Mark Drabczak G Minnesota

1990

1. Renaldo Turnbull DE West Virginia
2. Vince Buck CB Central State (Ohio)
3. Joel Smeenge DE Western Michigan
4. DeMond Winston LB Vanderbilt
5. Charles Arbuckle TE UCLA
6. Mike Buck QB Maine
6. James Williams LB Mississippi St
7. Scott Hough G Maine
8. Gerry Gdowski QB Nebraska
8. Derrick Carr DE Bowling Green
9. Broderick Graves RB Winston-Salem State
9. Lonnie Brockman LB West Virginia
1O. Gary Cooper WR Clemson
l0. Ernest Spears S USC
11. Webbie Burnett NT Western Kentucky
12. Chris Port T Duke

1989

1. Wayne Martin DE Arkansas
2. Robert Massey DB North Carolina Central
3. Kim Phillips DB North Texas St.
4. Michael Mayes CB LSU
5. Kevin Haverdink T Western Michigan
6. Floyd Turner WR Northwestern (La.) St.
7. David Griggs LB Virginia
8. Fred Hadley WR Mississippi St.
9. Jerry Leggett LB Cal State-Fullerton
10. Joe Henderson RB Iowa St.
11. Calvin Nicholson CB Oregon St.
12. Michael Cadore WR Eastern Kentucky

1988

1. Craig Heyward FB Pittsburgh
2. Brett Perriman WR Miami
3. Tony Stephens NT Clemson
4. Lydell Carr FB Oklahoma
5. Greg Scales TE Wake Forest
5. Keith Taylor CB Illinois
6. Bob Sims G Florida
7. Brian Forde LB Washington St.
8. Glenn Derby T Wisconsin
9. Clarence Nunn CB San Diego St.
lO. Todd Santos QB San Diego St.
lO. Vincent Fizer LB Southern
11. Gary Couch WR Minnesota
12. Pasi Jorgensen LB Georgia Tech

1987

1. Shawn Knight DE Brigham Young
2. Lonzell Hill WR Washington
3. Michael Adams CB Arkansaa State
4. Steve Trapilo G Boston College
5. Milton Mack CB Alcorn State
6. Thomas Hensley WR Stanford
7. Gene Atkins S Florida A&M
8. Toi Cook CB Stanford
9. Scott Leach LB Ohio State
10. Robert Clark WR North Carolina Central
11. Arthur Wells TE Grambling
12. Tyrone Sorrells G Georgia Tech

1986

1. Jim Dombrowski T Virginia
2. Dalton Hilliard RB LSU
3. Rueben Mayes RB Washington State
3. Pat Swilling LB Georgia Tech
3. Barry Word, RB Virginia
4. Kelvin Edwards WR Liberty Baptist
6. Reggie Sutton CB Miami
6. Robert Thompson WR Youngstown State
7. Gill Fenerty RB Holy Cross
8. Filipo Mokofisi LB Utah
9. Merlon Jones LB Florida A&M
10. Jonathan Dumbauld DE Kentucky
11. Patrick Swoopes NT Mississippi State
12. Sebastian Brown WR Bethune-Cookman

1985

1. Alvin Toles LB Tennessee
2. Dares Gilbert T Cal State-Fullerton
3. Jack Del Rio LB USC
4. Billy Allen S Florida State
7. Eric Martin WR LSU
8. Joe Kohlbrand LB Miami
9. Earl Johnson CB South Carolina
12. Treg Songy S Tulane

1984

2. James Geathers DT Wichita State
3. Terry Hoage S Georgia
3. Tyrone Anthony RB North Carolina
4. Joel Hilgenberg C Iowa
5. Jitter Fields CB Texas
6. Don Thorp FL Illinois
8. Clemon Terrell RB Southern Mississippi
9. Brian Hansen P Sioux Falls College
10. Paul David Gray LB Western Kentucky
11. Michel Bourgeau DE Boise State
12. Byron Nelson T Arizona

1984 USFL SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT

1. Vaughan Johnson LB North Carolina State
2. Mel Gray RB Purdue
3. Steve Bearden LB Vanderbilt

1983

2. Steve Korte G Arkansas
3. John Tice TE Maryland
3. Cliff Austin RB Clemson
5. Gary Lewis DT Oklahoma State
8. David Greenwood S Wisconsin

1982

1. Lindsay Scott WR Georgia
2. Brad Edelman C Missouri
3. Rodney Lewis CB Nebraska
3. Eugene Goodlow WR Kansas State
3. Kenny Duckett WR Wake Forest
3. John Krimm S Notre Dame
4. Morten Andersen K Michigan State
5. Tony Elliott DE North Texas State
6. Martin Lewis RB Tulane
8. Chuck Slaughter T South Carolina

1981

1. George Rogers RB South Carolina
2. Russell Gary C Nebraska
2. Rickey Jackson LB Pittsburgh
3. Frank Warren DE Auburn
3. Hoby Brenner TE USC
5. Louis Oubre G Oaklahoma
5. Jerry Boyarsky NT Pittsburgh
6. Nat Hudson G Georgia
6. Johnnie Poe CB Missouri
6. Glen Redd LB Brigham Young
7. Kevin Williams WR USC
8. Gene Gladys LB Penn State
8. Kevin Evans S Arkansas
9. Toussaint Tyler RB Washington
10. Hokie Gajan RB LSU
11. Lester Mickens WR Kansas
12. Jim Wilks DT San Diego State

1980

1. Stan Brock T Colorado
2. David Waymer CB Notre Dame
4. Mike Jolly CB Michigan
6. Lester Boyd LB Kentucky
7. Mike Morucci RB Bloomsburg State
8. Chuck Evans LB Stanford
9. Frank Mordica RB Vanderbilt
10. Tanya Webb DE Michigan State
11. George Woodard RB Texas A&M
12. Kiser Lewis LB Florida A&M

1979

1. Russell Erxleben K-P Texas
2. Reggie Mathis LB Oklahoma
4. Jim Kovach LB Kentucky
5. Harlan Huckleby RB Michigan
6. Ricky Ray CB Norfolk State
7. Stan Sytsma LB Minnesota
8. Doug Panfil G Tulsa
11. David Hall WR Missouri-Rolla
12. Kelsey Finch RB Tennessee

1978

1. Wes Chandler WR Florida
2. James Taylor T Missouri
3. Barry Bennett DT Concordia (Minn.)
4. Don Schwartz S Washington State
5. Eric Felton CB Texas Tech
6. Mike Rieker QB Lehigh
6. Francis Chesley LB Wyoming
8. Brooks Williams TE North Carolina
9. Richard Carter CB North Carolina State
11. Nathan Besaint DT Southern
11. David Riley RB West Virginia
12. Larry Hardy TE Jackson State

1977

1. Joe Campbell DE Maryland
2. Mike Fultz DT Nebraska
3. Robert Watts LB Boston College
5. Dave Lafary T Purdue
5. Dave Hubbard T Brigham Young
6. Cliff Parsley P Oklahoma State
6. Tom Schick G Maryland
7. Greg Boykin RB Northwestern
8. Jimmy Stewart S Tulsa
9. Dave Knowles T Indiana
10. Rafael Septien K S.W. Louisiana
11. John Blain T San Jose State
12. Oakley Dalton DT Jackson State

1976

1. Chuck Muncie RB California
2. Tony Galbreath RB Missouri
3. Bob Simmons T Texas
4. Tinker Owens WR Oklahoma
5. Scott Parrish T Utah State
6. Terry Stieve G Wisconsin
7. Ed Bauer G Notre Dame
8. Craig Cassady DB Ohio State
9. Warren Peiffer DT Iowa
10. Junior Hardin LB Eastern Kentucky
11. Greg Kokal QB Kent State
12. Milton Butts T North Carolina State
13. Kenny Downing DB Missouri
14. Rich Hucke DE Western Montana
15. Steve Seminoff DT Wichita State
16. Gene Jones T Bowling Green
17. Scott McDonald TE West Virginia

1975

1. Larry Burton WR Purdue
1. Kurt Schumacher G Ohio State
2. Lee Gross C Auburn
3. Andrew Jones RB Washington State
3. Elois Grooms DE Tennessee Tech
4. John Starkebaum S Nebraska
4. Charles Hall DE Tulane
6. Mike Lemon LB Kansas
7. Steve Rogers RB LSU
9. Mike Strachan RB Iowa State
10. Chuck Heater RB Michigan
11. Danny Lee P E. Louisiana
12. Ron Gustafson WR North Dakota State
13. Jim Upchurch RB Arizona
14. Randy Rhino CB Georgia Tech
15. Grant Burget RB Oklahoma
16. Mike McDonald LB Gatawba
17. Greg Westbrooks LB Colorado

1974

1. Rick Middleton LB Ohio State
2. Paul Seal TE Michigan
4. Rod McNeil RB USC
5. Joel Parker WR Florida
5. Terry Schmidt CB Ball State
8. Alvin Maxson RB SMU
9. Phil LaPorte T Penn State
10. Frosty Anderson WR Nebraska
10. Tommy Thibodeaux G Tulane
11. Kent Merritt WR Virginia
12. James Buckmon DE Pittsburgh
13. Mike Truax LB Tulane
14. Kent Marshall S TCU
15. Larry Cipa QB Michigan
16. Don Coleman LB Michigan
17. Marvin Williams WR Western Illinois

1973

2. Derland Moore DE Oklahoma
2. Steve Baumgartner DE Purdue
3. Pete Van Valkenburg RB Brigham Young
4. Jim Merlo LB Stanford
6. Marty Shufford RB Arizona
7. Billy Cahill S Washington
8. Bob Peterson G Utah
8. Doug Winslow WR Drake
9. Mike Fink CB Missouri
10. Jeff Horsley RB North Carolina Central
11. James Owens RB Auburn
12. Paul Orndorff TE Tampa
13. Richard Watkins DT Weber State
14. Paul Fersen T Georgia
15. Mike Evenson C North Dakota State
16. Howard Stevens RB Louisville
17. Bobby Garner TE Winston-Salem

1972

1. Royce Smith G Georgia
2. Willie Hall LB USC
3. Bob Kuziel C Pittsburgh
3. Tom Myers S Syracuse
4. Mike Crangle DE Tennessee-Martin
4. Joe Federspiel LB Kentucky
4. Mike Coleman DE Knoxville College
5. Bill Butler RB Kansas State
5. Carl Johnson T Nebraska
5. Bo Davies S South Carolina
6. Wayne Dorton G Arkansas State
6. Curt Watson RB Tennessee
7. Ernie Jackson CB Duke
8. Ron Vinson WR Abilene Christian
9. Kent Branstetter DT Houston
10. Andy Kupp G Idaho
11. Paul Dongieux LB Mississippi
12. Steve Lockhart TE Arkansas State
13. Cephus Weatherspoon WR Ft. Lewis
14. Steve Barrios WR Tulane
15. Rusty Lachaussee QB Tulane
16. Joe Balthrop G Tennessee
17. Dick Graham WR Oklahoma State

1971

1. Archie Manning QB Mississippi
2. Sam Holden T Grambling
3. Bivian Lee CB Prairie View
4. Carlos Belt TE Houston
4. Wimpy Winther C Mississippi
4. Dartagnan Martin CB Kentucky State
4. Don Morrison T Texas-Arlington
6. Don Morehead RB Michigan
7. Larry DiNardo G Notre Dame
7. Bob Newland WR Oregon
8. James Elder CB Southern
8. Bob Gresham RB West Virginia
9. Tam Williams S Williamette
10. Rocky Pamplin RB Hawaii
11. Bob Pollard DE Weber State
12. Ron Gathright CB Morehead State
13. Don Burchfield TE Ball State
14. Bobby Scott QB Tennessee
15. Bart Graves DE Tulane
16. Craig Robinson T Houston
17. Hermann Eban WR Oklahoma State

1970

1. Ken Burrough WR Texas Southern
3. Clovis Swinney DE Arkansas State
4. Delles Howell CB Grambling
5. Glenn Cannon S Mississippi
5. Steve Ramsey QB North Texas State
6. Mel Easley CB Oregon State
7. Lon Woodard DE San Diego State
8. Lawrence Estes DE Alcorn State
9. Jim Otis RB Ohio State
10. Jim Brumfield RB Indiana State
11. Gary Klar LB Arizona
12. Willie Davenport CB Southern
14. Doug Sutherland DE Wisconsin-Superior
15. Jim Vest DE Washington State
16. Cliff Gasper DT Grambling
17. Doug Wyatt S Tulsa

1969

1. John Shinners G Xavier
2. Richard Neal DE Southern
4. Dennis Hale S Minnesota
4. Bob Hudspeth T Southern Illinois
5. Tony Kyasky S Syracuse
5. Keith Christensen T Kansas
6. Bob Miller TE USC
8. Jim Lawrence WR USC
9. Joe Owens LB Alcom State
10. McKinley Reynolds RB Hawaii
11. Tommy Morel WR LSU
12. Tom Broadhead RB Santa Barbara State
13. Joe Robillard CB Linfield, Oregon
14. Gary Loyd P California Lutheran
15. Bill Wailer WR Xavier, Ohio
16. Edd Harget QB Texas A&M
17. Chico Kurzawski S Northwestern

1968

1. Kevin Hardy DE Notre Dame
3. Dave Szmakowski WR West Texas State
4. Willie Crittendon DT Tulsa
4. Dan Sartin G Mississippi
5. Ronnie Lee South QB Arkansas
7. Ray Phillips G Michigan
7. Eugene Howard CB Langston
8. Dick Swatland G Notre Dame
9. Joe Blake G Tulsa
10. Doug Robinson S Iowa State
11. Benie Blocker RB South Carolina State
12. John Beck CB San Diego State
13. Kayo Trepanier T Montana State
14. Herbert Covington RB Memphis State
15. Wilmer Cooks RB Colorado
16. Elie Ghattas G Ball State
17. Jim Ferguson LB USC

1967

1. Leslie Kelley FB Alabama
2. James (Bo) Burris S Houston
2. John Gilliam RB South Carolina State
2. David Rowe DE Penn State
3. Del Williams G Florida State
3. Ben Hart WR Oklahoma
4. Ron Widby P Tennessee
4. Bill Carr C Florida
4. Tom Stangle T Dayton
5. Don McCall RB USC
5. John Douglas CB Texas Southern
6. George Harvey G Kansas
6. Charles (Bo) Wood LB North Carolina
7. Gary Hertzog G Williamette
7. Bob McKelvey LB Northwestern
8. Sam Harris TE Colorado
8. Barry Siler LB Albion
9. Tim Lavens TE Idaho
9. Eugene Ross CB Oklahoma
10. Charles Brown RB Missouri
10. Roosevelt Robertson TE North Carolina College
11. Jim Benson G Florida
11. Bernard Corbin CB Alabama A&M
12. Jonnie Pack G Texas Tech
12. John Robinson WR Tennessee
13. Bill Stetz LB Boston College
13. Gary Grossnickle S Missouri
14. Jim Hester TE North Carolina
14. George Stetter CB Virginia
15. John Snow DT Wake Forest
15. Darrell Johnson RB Lamar
16. Marcus Rhoden WR Mississippi State
16. Bruce Cortez CB Parsons College
17. Dan Abramowicz WR Xavier, Ohio
17. Billy Bob Stewart LB SMU
17. Jim Walker S Providence

Pocket Presence and Awareness...Instructor Culpepper
 

Wondering

doesn’t have the coaching staff in a panic because they believe backup Jake Delhomme can be just as effective in the offense.

If they shaved a few million off the starting quarterbacks salary , that would allow the Saints to sign all the soon to be pricey free agents .Delhomme has not started the last 2 years so he could get much better and is evaluated at almost the same level as Brooks now .

Brooks
Trade Bait !!!!
lol , had to do it .........

[Edited on 18/12/2002 by saintz08]

Pocket Presence and Awareness...Instructor Culpepper
 

Pak - you\'re absolutely right. Those guys are all great first round picks that worked out for the Saints. All SEVEN of them in our THIRTY FIVE year history. My point wasn\'t that the Saints, or any other team\'s talent scouts, couldn\'t pick a good one. It was that they are wrong about half the time. According to your list, it\'s a lot more than half.

As for what Saintz08 said - why not?! If Delhomme is really as effective according to the coaches, why not go out and try to pick up Bulger in the off season and then trade Brooks and his big salary to some one else. Then maybe we can get some talent on defense!

Pocket Presence and Awareness...Instructor Culpepper
 

Brooks trade bait ... LOL. If Randy Mueller was still here that just might be the case. I am not overly pleased with Brooks overall performance this year mainly because I do not see him being the weapon he has been touted as being and I am starting to see all those talking heads who last year said he would be something special starting to back off that a bit.

Brooks is a good QB in the NFL. He however is not doing anything special that 15 other QB\'s in the league would not be able to do on this same team full of weapons. Brooks MOST glaring asset is his throwing accuracy. He rarely ever misses his target and the receivers are always given a chance to make a play.

Brooks is still learning. Remember last year he was throwing interceptions in the red zone. That has been eliminated this year. I hope next year he is able to develop POCKET Presence and STOP the back pedaling.

Pocket Presence and Awareness...Instructor Culpepper
 

And MY point, WHODAT, is that while you guys kick back in your recliners and gripe about AB as if the Job was so easy there are people out there paid to make the decision. No sure thing is truely sure, and low round picks sometimes shine.

I\'ve said it before and I\'ll say it again (I\'m takin the bait Saintz08), if Jake was so much better then he\'d be the starter. If Jake were so much better they wouldn\'t have given Brooks a new contract...

You people need to get a new hobby.

:casstet:

Pocket Presence and Awareness...Instructor Culpepper
 

Somebody explain to me what a talent scout does .

All the NCAA players go to the combine , those that do not have private showings .

The combine is like the talent supermarket , all the coaches go and the GM\'s . A coach can tape all the Bowls and watch them in the off season .

Did someone talent scout Beerman ?? No , he walked on .

Does anyone know of a professional athlete that was signed from an obscure region where he was milking cows, and because this talent scout did his job he is now an NFL football player .

Here is another one , someone pease tell me what this guy does .

Greg Brown — Defensive Assistant/Quality Control

Exactly what quality does he control ?? Is this the guy that tapes up the tackling dummies ???

I can read Mel Kipers report as well as those guys and I have a roll of duct tape , I want both their jobs and salaries ........

Pocket Presence and Awareness...Instructor Culpepper
 

The combine is a big joke. If coaches want to know what a guy can do all they have to do is watch game film on him. The combine is the biggest flim-flam (well..one of the biggest) in the NFL. Like I said....watch a game or two and see what a guy can do. It ain\'t that hard to figure out. Want to know the skinny on a guy get Joel Buchsbaum\'s scouting report.

Pocket Presence and Awareness...Instructor Culpepper
 

u missed the whole point of my post, i said that those were just a few.

billyh, where can we get this scouting report?

Pocket Presence and Awareness...Instructor Culpepper
 

I want the jobs .

Mueller will probably follow his brother , so there is one opening .
Quality control , I can handle that .

I will be the first talent scout that scouts via the Black and Gold forum .

We vote on draft picks , post players who are impressive .

A true fans team ......

Pocket Presence and Awareness...Instructor Culpepper
 

Two things:

1. A good talent scout goes and finds a little known receiver from Mississippi Valley State and signs him to a long-term contract (Jerry Rice in case you didn\'t know who I was talking about). Their main job is to look through the hype and truley judge a player based on his \"talent.\" To me that is natural ability, athleticism, potential, maturity, intelligence, and ability to grow as a player.

2. That leads me to Brooks. I don\'t think our scouts have done a great job of that with Brooks. Personally (and I could very well be totally wrong), I don\'t see Brooks getting much better than he is right now ever in his career. He will make some strides, but he will never truly be one of the top 5 or 10 quarterbacks in the league.

That speaks to my point about Delhomme, which SaintFan doesn\'t seem to understand. I don\'t believe Delhomme is BETTER than Brooks. Brooks is more athletic and seemingly, and seemingly is the operative word in this statement, has more potential. However, I think Delhomme is smarter. I believe he would manage the offense better. He would make less stupid mistakes. That enables the team, as an offense, to get the ball into the hands of our true weapons more often. That will make us a better team overall. Furthermore, Delhomme is less expense and, again, in my opinion, has a better attitude than Brooks.

My point as it comes to talent scouts is that they are not always right. I believe that they have made an error in judgment when it comes to Brooks. Delhomme, in my opinion, is a better choice for the Saints. But, like SaintFan said, I am sitting here typing this in my computer not making any decision for the Saints team.

Pocket Presence and Awareness...Instructor Culpepper
 

Whodat ... that is truly speaking from a fan perspective. How could you possibly think Delhomme is better than AB based on the limited amount of time you have seen Jake play? What do you have to base that opinion on?

I have only seen Jake play a very minute period of time and YES he does look proficient when he plays. I have not seen Jake play enough to base much of an opinion of him over AB BUT it is my opinion AB probably has better throwing accuracy than Jake. Is this just due to playing time? I don\'t know BUT I do know there is something keeping Jake off the field.

In a league where coaches success is based on win vs losses I would find it very hard to believe a coach keeping a better player on the sidelines for any bogus reason.

Pocket Presence and Awareness...Instructor Culpepper
 

OK, let\'s really read the posts before we reply. I said, and will say again, I don\'t believe Delhomme is BETTER than Brooks. Look at my previous post. Read paragraph three. Make replies based on what I said, not what you think I said.