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I just need to know who you think doesn't fit a 3-4 scheme and why.


Broderick Bunkley doesn't fit 3-4 scheme and at this point it would be more beneficial if we cut his salary.....

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Actually he was.a much better player with the Broncos 3-4 scheme than he was with the Saints 4-3.

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The obvious choice is Will Smith.

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I thought I was the only one aware of that....

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Like lsutiger fan pointed out, Bunkley came from a 3-4 and dominated, so he'll be perfect for our scheme

My choice is Will Smith
However at the minute you could say Junior Galette because we've never seen him play coverage and he'd be the OLB in the system, so coverage skills are a must

Martez wilson is a former LB so he can play coverage, We haven't seen galette do it yet

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I think people might've forgotten about it since the Broncos went to a 4-3 base defense this season, so they might automatically think that he was a 3-tech 4-3 DT with them. But yeah, Bunkley was highly successful as the NT for that 3-4 defense they had in 2011, and I remember reading articles about him - when he was signed by the Saints - that quoted Broncos' defensive players saying that Bunkley was one of the biggest reasons why their defense was so good and why their OLBs and DEs were finding ways to get to the QB. They even tried to re-sign him even with the change to a 4-3, but the Saints were offering more, so Bunkley decided to take their offer.


Anyway, Will Smith doesn't fit the system as he is too small for a DE position and doesn't have the explosiveness nor the coverage skills to be an OLB either. Galette and McBride are two other DEs who may not fit the system, which is why they might not get re-signed this offseason, but Galette is the more likely candidate to continue with the Saints as he does have pass rushing abilities superior to McBride. Ellis doesn't fit in the system, but he wouldn't be re-signed even if he did. Vilma, Humber, Shanle, and Casillas are all LBs who we probably won't see coming back as they are either undersized, too slow, without coverage skills or just plain suck at life (-->SS). Casillas could be re-signed on the cheap even though he is an UFA because he didn't have any suitors last offseason when the Saints originally didn't hand him a RFA tender and he was free to meet with other teams. And on the backfield it'll be more about salary cap restrictions if we see any cuts, since the base 3-4 doesn't really affect that side of the defense - more so what the new DC and Secondary coaches decide to run as the main coverage scheme. But Harper might be gone since they could save $3.5M by doing so, and if they could bring in a FA safety like Byrd - there really wouldn't be any need to keep Harper on the roster with his limitations and high cap number.

That awkward moment when an attempt at understanding bites you in the azz.

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How many DT/NT does a 3-4 team usually carry?

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Bold prediction:
Shanle will be back!
I'm not sure why....haven't been for a few years now, but Shanle will remain.

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and Mark Simeneau and Jason David will return as well

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Vilma

He's a bit undersized to play any 3-4 LB spot

Smith

Just because

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He'd probably make a great back-up and likely pick up the system quickly.

IIRC didn't he play in a 3-4 in Dallas?

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Sounds like we have alot of 3-4 people in place...
Why did we goto a 4-3 and expect great things?

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Our two best players over the last several years were Vilma and Will Smith. Both are ideal 4-3 players.

We've just recently started acquiring 3-4 types (Martez, Bunkley, Jordan, Hawthorne, Hicks)

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Maybe it was all part of SP's master plan

Perhaps he knew he would be changing our D to 3-4 in the near future and drafted accordingly?

or Maybe not..... lol

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he is all we got right now so he stays till a replacement is found. lets see if we speed 34 or power 34. with bunk it has to be speed. i prefer power 34 over speed 34. less big plays up the middle

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I'm hoping that McMahon is given his walking papers.........thread jack! :smile:

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Hopefully now we can get rid of Sedrick Ellis.

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If we commit to letting Vilma, Smith and Sedrick Ellis go how much cap room will we free up?

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Roughly about 11 mil I believe which puts us only 2 million over the cap if those 3 players are released

Then with loomis working his renegotiation magic it would free up quite a lot

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Smith has a 10 mil cap hit this year

Vilma is 3.7 mil this year I think

Ellis is a free agent so he doesn't count unless re-signed

Right at 14 mil saved I think

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The immediate cutting of Spags and Flajole a few days after Paytons return tells me that they want to get a new DC in there quickly and the remaining cuts will be on the new DC.

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I think that would be the perfect way to clear up some of the salary cap mess, because i like Bunkley as our starting 3-4 NT and I also like Hicks as his backup, we would just have to find a 3rd and a RE which I am sure we will draft a number of defensive players who can work into the 3-4 system in the upcoming draft

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I completely forgot that Ellis was on his last year, well hopefully they dont make the mistake of resigning him

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Where do you all think Greg Romeus will fit into our 3-4 system or do you think he is on the outs as well. I know a couple of posters lobby for him and thought that he would grow into a solid contributor.

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Romeus has to stay healthy before he can show anyone anything...

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Romeus is an interesting case, IF he stays healthy he is a little bit of a tweener

Same physical build as Martez Wilson but a bit heavier

6"5 267lbs

I think he could do play both positions, as a stand up OLB or as a DE in certain situations, he has the size and speed to do both

One thing about him is injuries, I'm pulling for him to stay healthy, I think he could be incredible if he shook the injury bug

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If Shanle is still on this team next year... then Im gunna... actually Idk what Im going to do ! ! ! HE IS TERRIBLE ! ! ! HOW IS HE STILL WITH THE SAINTS ! ! ! ! GAH ! !! ! ! ! GO AWAY SHANLE ! ! !

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I don't want them to re-sign Shanle nor do I think that they'll do it, but if he is re-signed to a 1-year deal for the vet minimum - I can live with that since he can be easily cut if they need the roster spot for someone else later on.

Anything above vet minimum is an overpay for Shanle's services IMO!

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He's gonna be there I'm tellin' ya. Somethin' was once said about a camera, a goat and Benson. I ain't wishing it, just predicting but if I'm right I'm gonna start believing those rumors.

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I'd give Romeus one more year to see if he can stay healthy. If he can, he's no doubt a OLB in a 3-4.

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Well, PFW's draft profile listed Romeus as having:


To me, that spells a 3-4 DE, but it remains to be seen if he can remain healthy and what the past two injuries have done to his level of play in general - he might not be the player he once was for the Pitt even if he has fully rehabbed and is able to stay healthy in order to be on the active roster. Also, the DE position should fit him better than the OLB because it shouldn't be as hard on the knees as the edge rushing OLB position.

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IMO, he's a better OLB, but I'm no "expert" like the guys on PFW. So I guess only time will tell. I not counting on him staying healthy anyway. Im drooling over having Tez on one side and Ziggy Ansah on the other side. Please let this happen, lol.

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Big arms are a huge plus for a 3-4 DE, because they allow them to engage more than one O-lineman at a time freeing up lanes for the OLBs to get to the passer, but I don't know either where Romeus would fit the best. I just don't know if he has the coverage skills needed to be an OLB and/or if his knees will allow him to keep up with receivers when needed to?!

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Eh, 267 lbs is a bit light for a 3-4 DE. Those guys run more in the 280-300 range. In 4-3 schemes, they're DT's.

Not that he CAN'T play DE in a 3-4, but at his current weight, I would say OLB.

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The funny part about this is I was lobbying for Romeus to replace Vilma in a 4-3 as a DE for the past 2 seasons. I think he could come in and help in a 3-4 as a DE but I don't think he would hold up as an OLB coming off back to back season ending injuries. " We haven't seen him play a down we don't know what he is capable of.....

Chamberlain is the exact same way!!!!

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Naturally, but that is something that he can change if need be, it's impossible to change physical traits like long hands and and big arms, but not how much you weigh.

At the moment he would be underweight for a 3-4 DE position, but he has the frame to support more mass - it's just a matter of whether or not his back and knees could really support that added weight without any problems.

Oh, and we really still don't know what his current health situation is or if he can even be a productive player after sitting out two years away from the game, so it's all just speculation at this point and he'd be a depth guy at best.

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I hope Romeus will be able to play this season, he needs to talk to AP's doctor.

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He reminds me on Ninkovich. We can't keep him on our roster for several years hoping he heals up and plays, but just our luck in two more years he'll be playing great for someone else.