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Old 02-07-2013, 09:06 AM   #11
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Everyone was convinced Spags was the answer and we'd have a great defense. We kept telling ourselves that week 1, week 2, week 3 and so forth.
It NEVER worked out. Bottom line is you don't know for sure. If Sean payton is interviewing him they must have something to bring to the table. Have faith...
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:13 AM   #12
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Re: Rob Ryan would bring attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme to New Orleans

Originally Posted by Jamessr View Post
Everyone was convinced Spags was the answer and we'd have a great defense. We kept telling ourselves that week 1, week 2, week 3 and so forth.
It NEVER worked out. Bottom line is you don't know for sure. If Sean payton is interviewing him they must have something to bring to the table. Have faith...
I agree.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:21 AM   #13
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What's he learned more, is how to keep a guy like that under control (see Gregg Williams running amuck)
I cant agree with that. Payton has learned what damage a loose cannon can actually do. Ive seen nothing to prove Payton can control a loose cannon. That takes too much evergy and we do not need distractions. We have enough already.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:21 AM   #14
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Re: Rob Ryan would bring attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme to New Orleans

If he gets the job I will support him being with the Saints but I am gun-shy of any DC we get after last season. I could only hope for the best and expect the worst as of right now. If he gets the job and proves his worth that would be the best case senerio at this point, talks cheap!!
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:54 AM   #15
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Re: Rob Ryan would bring attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme to New Orleans

Originally Posted by Jamessr View Post
Everyone was convinced Spags was the answer and we'd have a great defense. We kept telling ourselves that week 1, week 2, week 3 and so forth.
It NEVER worked out. Bottom line is you don't know for sure. If Sean payton is interviewing him they must have something to bring to the table. Have faith...

I disagree, there were some bright spots among the miserable season - like the Bucs game where the Saints' defense blanked the Bucs' offense.

Not saying they were good, but saying "it NEVER worket out" is an over-exaggeration.
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:17 AM   #16
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Re: Rob Ryan would bring attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme to New Orleans

My perspective is that everyone HOPED Spags was the answer and thought it was possible because of his past success...

A good % of the people doubted the success because they KNEW we did not have the players to pull it off.
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I disagree, there were some bright spots among the miserable season - like the Bucs game where the Saints' defense blanked the Bucs' offense.

Not saying they were good, but saying "it NEVER worket out" is an over-exaggeration.
You're right we played 1 outstanding game...
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I cant agree with that. Payton has learned what damage a loose cannon can actually do. Ive seen nothing to prove Payton can control a loose cannon. That takes too much evergy and we do not need distractions. We have enough already.

I think that is a little naive of an outlook. It's very hard to stomach what I believe is the reality of things, and that would be that what was "allegedly" taking place by Gregg Williams, players, other coaches and under the knowledge of the HC and GM, was a near certainty in every organization on every level of the sport. Numerous sources have stated that Gregg Williams employed this practice everywhere he went. Many past players have said this was common everywhere they played for a variety of coaches. I think it was one of those unspoken things and the condemnation of alot of other coaches and players is based more on the "you idiot for making us all look bad" policy and deny all knowledge and toss a few people under the bus to take the punishment for the good of the majority. I think this kind of thing has been going on since the sport began, that it was all too common in almost every locker room, whether it come from a coach, coordinator or positional coach or just between a few players. I played football in high school and college level and it went on in both. We did the same in hockey. The Saints organization and Gregg Williams were not an isolated incident. This is my opinion and of course I have no facts to support this.

I don't hold one shred of disrespect towards Sean Payton for what happened with Gregg Williams or the whole bouty scandel. And I feel the same about Bill Belichek and the spy gate scandel. I think this too was more common than reported and all they were guilty of was getting caught. I would be stunned if nearly every team wasn't trying any means possible to steal signals, get sneak peeks at practice formations, etc.

To make a long story short, I personally feel Gregg Williams was not some rogue nut job. He was a typical NFL coach/coordinator that got all his warts exposed to the public and now everyone has to be as unlike him as possible. My only criticism of him and pretty much everyone involved is that they can't jeoprodize their futures and their money to be straight up and admit this was an everyday thing everywhere. But there is no way the NFL would ever want that known. Williams painted himself into a bad corner though when he broke the code.

That's my take and why Rob Ryan concerns me not. He has more public disregard for being politically correct, but otherwise he's no different than any other DC to me.
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A good % of the people doubted the success because they KNEW we did not have the players to pull it off.
I wanna add to that
The fact we didn't have the players is not Spags in fault.
Where I blame him is he didn't work with what he had. He didn't gauge his people in the preseason games, practice or attempt to make any adjustments in weeks 1-4. It wasn't untill Joe vitt and Vilma came back we started adjusting. We started making plays....
Maybe the locker room commets were right... maybe noone liked him.
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You're right we played 1 outstanding game...





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