Rob Ryan would bring attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme to New Orleans
 

The more I read on Rob, the more I could see him having instant and sustainable success in New Orleans.


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We already had a big mouth with attitude in NO, look were that got us. One year of lucky defense, and 3 of the same. We just need a serious DC who's more worried about defense and less worried about looking good or running his mouth.
With our offense, we just need a 10-15th ranked defense every year, nothing fancy, and we would be deep in the playoffs. Defense kills us every time.
We consistanly put 30 pts or more on the best defenses in the NFL, and that should win. Just keep teams to 24 pts the NFL average.

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In that light, Ryan has been fairly average....

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Living off his father name. I just don't know whats he's done latley.

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No way our defense can get any worse... All we need is a mid 20's defense and we have a legitimate shot at the Superbowl.

We'll never have a superb defense with all the cap space we have tied up in the offense...

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No one we bring in will turn this around in a year. We have to understand that. And we are missing many key pieces to the 3-4 (2 gap NT, elite pass rush OLB, etc.) We have no money for immediate impact FA's and will have to build this via the draft and finding hidden gem FA's.

Frankly I am prepared for a 15-30 ranked D next year but if we can get close to 15 we will be a contender.

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still think he is not the way to go.

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Okay, let's use you as our pre-season prognosticator. how did you feel about Spags this time last year?

See I'm not sure what to think about Big Rob. I was mildly positive and hugely hopeful about Spags. After last year, I have a real Missouri attitude toward all of'em. When I think about it, they're all either out of work, coaching down at the college level, or doing something other than a DC gig. So I'm wondering how you were feeling about Spags last year so I can get something to base my opinion on.

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Are we basing our decision on Ryan's persona or his abilities?

This defense could use a guy like Ryan and Payton has already proven he can work with a larger than life persona.

What's he learned more, is how to keep a guy like that under control (see Gregg Williams running amuck)

Ryan was decent at Cleveland, better at Oakland and did good things at Dallas until his D was decimated by injury.

I'm not saying he's the answer but he has the ability.

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Rob Ryan was never put into good situations to begin with.

As we seen with Spags though, we need to find someone where the scheme fits the ability of the talent, Spags was like Oil and Water to our defense. Rob Ryan might be a little more of the sugar to the water than Oil.

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Everyone was convinced Spags was the answer and we'd have a great defense. We kept telling ourselves that week 1, week 2, week 3 and so forth.
It NEVER worked out. Bottom line is you don't know for sure. If Sean payton is interviewing him they must have something to bring to the table. Have faith...

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I agree.

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I cant agree with that. Payton has learned what damage a loose cannon can actually do. Ive seen nothing to prove Payton can control a loose cannon. That takes too much evergy and we do not need distractions. We have enough already.

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If he gets the job I will support him being with the Saints but I am gun-shy of any DC we get after last season. I could only hope for the best and expect the worst as of right now. If he gets the job and proves his worth that would be the best case senerio at this point, talks cheap!!

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I disagree, there were some bright spots among the miserable season - like the Bucs game where the Saints' defense blanked the Bucs' offense.

Not saying they were good, but saying "it NEVER worket out" is an over-exaggeration.

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My perspective is that everyone HOPED Spags was the answer and thought it was possible because of his past success...

A good % of the people doubted the success because they KNEW we did not have the players to pull it off.

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You're right we played 1 outstanding game...

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I think that is a little naive of an outlook. It's very hard to stomach what I believe is the reality of things, and that would be that what was "allegedly" taking place by Gregg Williams, players, other coaches and under the knowledge of the HC and GM, was a near certainty in every organization on every level of the sport. Numerous sources have stated that Gregg Williams employed this practice everywhere he went. Many past players have said this was common everywhere they played for a variety of coaches. I think it was one of those unspoken things and the condemnation of alot of other coaches and players is based more on the "you idiot for making us all look bad" policy and deny all knowledge and toss a few people under the bus to take the punishment for the good of the majority. I think this kind of thing has been going on since the sport began, that it was all too common in almost every locker room, whether it come from a coach, coordinator or positional coach or just between a few players. I played football in high school and college level and it went on in both. We did the same in hockey. The Saints organization and Gregg Williams were not an isolated incident. This is my opinion and of course I have no facts to support this.

I don't hold one shred of disrespect towards Sean Payton for what happened with Gregg Williams or the whole bouty scandel. And I feel the same about Bill Belichek and the spy gate scandel. I think this too was more common than reported and all they were guilty of was getting caught. I would be stunned if nearly every team wasn't trying any means possible to steal signals, get sneak peeks at practice formations, etc.

To make a long story short, I personally feel Gregg Williams was not some rogue nut job. He was a typical NFL coach/coordinator that got all his warts exposed to the public and now everyone has to be as unlike him as possible. My only criticism of him and pretty much everyone involved is that they can't jeoprodize their futures and their money to be straight up and admit this was an everyday thing everywhere. But there is no way the NFL would ever want that known. Williams painted himself into a bad corner though when he broke the code.

That's my take and why Rob Ryan concerns me not. He has more public disregard for being politically correct, but otherwise he's no different than any other DC to me.

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I wanna add to that
The fact we didn't have the players is not Spags in fault.
Where I blame him is he didn't work with what he had. He didn't gauge his people in the preseason games, practice or attempt to make any adjustments in weeks 1-4. It wasn't untill Joe vitt and Vilma came back we started adjusting. We started making plays....
Maybe the locker room commets were right... maybe noone liked him.

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Also, he didn't have Hawthorne in the line-up during that timespan, but had to rely on the old faithful.

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Would you take a job knowing you did not have the tools to get it done? get it done right?.. Spagnuolo did.

Spagnuolo pretty much failed from start to finish. Had he not, I do believe Sean Payton would have kept him one more season.

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Sorry you spent so much time typing that. You misunderstood my reply, which is fairly naive in it self.

Correct, bountys were/are systemic in the NFL, have been for decades... Its been proven. Ive stated that and time again in these forums.

A loose cannon is one that does not stop when he is told to, then turns on the team and its players to save and cover his own hide.

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attitude and an attacking 3-4 scheme:monkey::moon::monkey:

:rofl:

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How could he have known that?

He couldn't personally evaluate the players before he was hired, so he couldn't really know what he had on the Saints roster and how those players fit into his system - outside of players he had already coached/met before.

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Not true. There are hours and hours of tape on every team including our defense. So only a handful of new players would have been unknown to him.

As the HC of the St. Louis Rams you are going to tell me he didn't know the personnel on our defense, their strengths and weaknesses? He coached against them at least 3 times, say them in Playoff games and a SB.

That's like saying Sean Payton can not possibly evaluate draft picks until after they play for him.

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It's different to watch film on somebody than to evaluate him personally with having the opportunity to also engage the player(s) verbally to confirm their mental preparedness - SP himself has stated that in past interviews.

Mental preparedness went out the window with Bountygate, secret listening lines...

If you want to evaluate personalities and intelligence then yes 1 on 1.

If you want to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of a defense and its players then all you need is tape to know we would have major problems getting to the QB.

Heck brother, you watched 16 saints games this season and you can identify our defenses strengths and weaknesses. Now if you had scouting reports you would know a crap load about what you would be walking into as a DC.

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Sure, but that wasn't the point.

The point I was trying to make was that Spags didn't exactly know what "tools" he would have - taking into consideration who they'd be able to get via FA and draft - and he didn't know if those "tools" that were already there would indeed fit his particular "toolbox." And he probably thought that he could get more out of some of the guys, but they might not have responded to his coaching in the way he thought - that could be also something that was brought about by the Bountygate atmosphere and the fact that key personnel were suspended.

I'm not a coach, so I don't know this for sure, but I would think that it's very difficult to accurately make the evaluation based on film and reports whether or not a player will fit into a certain system if it is different than the one he has been playing in most recently. I would think that you need to put those guys on the field and observe them playing in the system to really see if they fit or not, and whether or not the system needs to be changed to better suit the players.

Now, on that last point I do think Spags dropped the ball, because he didn't or couldn't adjust his system to fit the Saints defensive roster, but that is a different point than the one I was referring to earlier. Spags was most of all brought in to implement his system and not to fix the weaknesses of the existing defense, and maybe that mindset had him wait too long to adjust his system to fit the players better - because he was expecting the players to adjust their playing styles to fit his system.

Now THAT is an intangible Sean Payton couldn't have seen on game tape. Spags failing to adapt.

We have gotten off into the weeds but, If you ever get the chance listen to NFLSirius and listen to Pat Kerwan and Tim Ryan break down tape. It's amazing what they can gather on every player on the field from tape. Jaw dropping.

Ill give you that 20% of the D may have been an unknown... HOWEVER, Spags was a huge part of the decision on the defensive drafts and FA. So he made part of his own bed.

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I wanted jack

i believe spags ego got in the way and he was unwilling to move players back to other positions they played before. no 1/2 time adjustments drove me crazzyyyyyy

but no matter which way they go i will let the season run its course and give them a shot. heck i was still giving spags another pass for 2013.


Still wanted some one to ask him how many MLB it takes to fill a LB Corp in a 43?

it looks like the list is getting shorter. niners kinda took the wind out of my sails. again :brood:

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Nothing wrong with the defensive draft, Hicks and White were both strong picks, and both will be big contributors in the future - yes, White also.

And Spags definitely had a hand in the free agency, but he can't really do anything if the FO can't get a player signed whom Spags would've wanted.

But anyway, it doesn't matter. Spags clearly wasn't the answer, but he definitely wasn't the only reason why the defense was as bad as it was, no matter how much some seem to think so.

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That's my point Oak - he's learned a lesson from giving a guy like GW free reign.

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An attitude is not always the best thing to have, :wink:

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Personally I think its was Sprag and not so much the defense. Sprags was a HC sense 2009. 3 Years of being god on the field to build his ego, and 3 years to forget how to be a great DC.
He walked in here still in HC mode, and with no one like SP to slap him around on the sidelines, he pretty much did what he wanted. I think some of the players statements support that.

Not saying Sprags is a bad guy or DC. Just saying he forget how to be a DC and acted like a HC to the defense. In 2-3 seasons Sprag will find his place again, and forget about getting another HC job. But he wasnt ready when he came here. The numbers on D were way to horrible to blame it on players.
..and one of the hazards of hiring a HC who used to be a great DC removed from coorinating for so long .. and the only thing that worries me about Crennel also. Otherwise I like Crennel as a pick.

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However if you want true talent you have to give up autonomy. If you dont then... well see Jerry Jones and his ability to get talented coaches.