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Old 02-09-2013, 10:07 AM   #31
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I've read NT's ideally are around 6'2" and 325lbs.

I could see us drafting Jenkins from UGA at 15.

I've read that the ideal size for a 2-gap 3-4 NT is around 6-4 and 325 lbs, but I guess it's about more than just the numbers on a paper.

Knighton would be a nice pick up for depth at least, especially at the vet minimum he was getting from JAX under his last contract.
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 View Post
There is no worse than last year.

Bright side - we have champions on this roster with a chip on their shoulders.
Well, chanmpions with chips on their shoulders last year didn't do squat. Just saying. Like I've been saying, "TALK IS CHEAP". Seems like I heard a lot of talk out of the Saints last year and that includes Drew Brees, and they stunk it up out on the field on Sunday's, so I don't want to hear it. I'm more of a shut up and show me kinda guy.

Looking at our team, I can see Martez Wilson taking that Pat Swilling, Renaldo Turnbull position. I can see Hicks and Bunkley at the nose, Cam Jordan at RDE and a draft pick at LDE. I can see Galette at Ricky Jackson's old spot backed up by Cassillas. Lofton, I can see at Vaughn Johnsons old spot with Vilma taking Sam Mills old spot. That's not a bad defense on paper. Move Jenkins to SS, Quddus to FS and we're starting to look pretty good on defense. We need to draft a top CB in this draft that's big, like 6'1" or 6'2" and get Robinson outta there. He's just terrible and I've been saying it for 2 years. Greer is still serviceable but if we can get 2 CB's in this draft we'd have one to push Greer and groom for the future. While we're getting our young CB's up to speed, we need to have that pass rush to help them out. With this lineup, I think we can do it.
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:09 AM   #33
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not thrilled, but nothing can be worse than last years.

i was thrilled with Sprags as a hire, so maybe this will be the reverse phsyco (pun intended) that i need.
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I'm pretty happy with the Rex Ryan hire. He's as good a DC as was available to us, considering the 3-4 move. Hard to deny his passion, and he's got plenty of NFL coaching experience.

Let's face it, there's gonna be some growing pains. But if we can afford to bring in the talent required, and give him a little time and patience, I think this could be a great hire.
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Can Ryan be the first player coach... he is big enough for NT?
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:23 AM   #36
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 View Post
I've read NT's ideally are around 6'2" and 325lbs.

I could see us drafting Jenkins from UGA at 15.
Makes me wonder why the Georgia coach was brought in for the DC position, Georgia has 2 NT in this years draft and both are big , good possibility we shore the line up with a Georgia pick, I could live with that!!
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Well we all know who it's gonna be now we just have to fill in the holes in positional coaches and players.

In all honesty I am and have been skeptical of Ryan but one of his proponents because of his old man. I want to see him succeed.

I think the analogy to Gregg Williams is a correct one. Ryan is equally as brash and egotysical, runs a pressure based defense that is concerned with generating turnovers above all else. And that is what got us a ring and frankly it's the style of defense I love to watch. Nothing better than generating splash plays on defense.

The way our offense can perform we only need a middle of the pack defense to be successful, and if we can hand the ball to Drew one more time per game because of a turnover our likelihood to win is drastically increased. I think alot of players will get behind this move, enjoy Ryan's swagger and aggression, and it will pay off maybe not immediately but in a year. We have too many personnel holes to fill in one off season and a bit of a learning curve to acquire.
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Ryan is crude, vulgar and nasty looking. They sure didn't seem to prosper under his tutelage. I hate this.
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I wasn't a fan at first but after doing some research and looking at the circumstances of what was out there. Crennel- taking a year off, 49ers Position coaches- Harbaugh is still acting like a baby so he's not gonna let anyone talk to his guys, Mangini-doubt he'll leave TV, Grantham- gave him an interview but I kinda figured that was more about trying to push Georgia into giving him a raise....but Saints weren't gonna offer him too much more than he was getting paid now so he withdrew his name.

Ryan- whether you like his personality or not, was the best choice out there for a 3-4 guy. Because he's a players coach he can get these guys to play much like GW but he won't take it to a point IMO that GW where they eventually tuned him out because he was so outlandish. I know people say "well he hasn't taken his defenses to the playoffs" look at the Offenses he had...they were basically nonexistant. Or in the case of Dallas just had no killer instinct at all. They played not to lose instead of going for the jugular which in turn lead to mistakes and turnovers. SP & Drew together have that killer instinct....this Saints team will try to put up a 50 burger in every game.

Ryan is a **** but you know what. I can get used to that because all of our coaches are ****s to different degrees. And...
1. he's the lesser **** out of the 2 Ryan brothers.

2. He's going to **** on the media every chance he gets which I love.

3. Even though some don't like it....I think his hair is luxurious...and it looks a lot better than GW with his Just for Men'd goatee.
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Not my first pick but at least its over. I don't care how weird he is. Just stay out of the media and make some improvements. Install the the damn 3-4 and get some attitude on defense not with the media. I'll be happy with that.
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